Broke Boyz From Fresno

From Truck Cab To Podcast Hub: Building Grizzly Talk, Chasing Sponsors, And Breaking Cycles

• Martin M • Season 3 • Episode 30

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We trade jokes for honesty and trace how a Fresno crew built a platform from classifieds and late nights, then pivot into fathers, therapy, and the work it takes to break cycles while chasing big goals and bigger community impact.

• scrappy launch of Grizzly Talk with secondhand gear and missed-audio lessons
• sponsor wins through Raza Golf and VMG, plus why networking beats clout
• Fresno as a creative hub and strategy for local-first growth
• stepping back for accountability, returning with clearer roles
• childhood instability, father wounds, and forgiveness
• how to find a therapist, insurance tips, affordability realities
• balancing resilience with empathy to avoid trivializing mental health
• making trucking healthier with better food options and movement
• risk tolerance, process over perfection, and documenting the journey

Thank you guys for staying tuned for another episode. This concludes the three-part series. We love you guys. Much love. Peace.

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Intro Music by Rockstar Turtle- Broke Boyz (999)
Christmas Intro Song by Nico

SPEAKER_01:

Perdóname. No fue esa mi intención haberle causado tanto daño a tu corazón. Por haberte lastimado sin querer. Por mi estúpida locura. Perdóname. Perdóname. Hoy quisiera reponer dos momentos que perdimos para amarnos. Por haberte lastimado sin querer. Por mi estúpida locura. Perdóname.

SPEAKER_04:

So I stopped smoking. I got that.

SPEAKER_01:

God damn, I'm drunk as shit. Thank you, fans. Thank you, fans. You're good? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Perfect?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I'm perfect.

SPEAKER_05:

You guys heading up? I'm good.

unknown:

See you guys.

SPEAKER_05:

Y'all have a good one. We'll see you soon.

SPEAKER_08:

You guys have a good one, bro. Thank you for the plug.

unknown:

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm perfect only because uh my main man Martin is hosting.

SPEAKER_04:

And there's a happy dad in his hand. We just gotta hit my boy Nick up and host an interview with the boy Frank, who owns this spot, so that way we can make it happen. I was telling him about the redoing of lighting. We're gonna do the hexagon lighting through the ceiling.

SPEAKER_01:

You guys are gonna open up a detailing shop or what?

SPEAKER_05:

I mean, it's gonna be arc shops.

SPEAKER_01:

Exactly. You want me to pull up? I want to rate your arc. What's crazy is you guys don't know this, but I'm actually a male model.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. Cat. He's a model for happy dads.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey. Hey, why is he my biggest hater for?

SPEAKER_03:

Bro got a haircut. He's feeling like him right now. That's wild.

SPEAKER_01:

That's wild.

SPEAKER_05:

Never trusted his sweater on and everything. I'm a male model.

SPEAKER_01:

Listen. I don't know. I don't know if you're a little bit more.

SPEAKER_05:

Rolex, new Rolex on. I don't think he can trust me.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, big shout out to my main man Mike. Just gave me a$40,000 Rolex. Come on now.

SPEAKER_05:

He was walking around like this late. He's like, yeah, I yeah, what time is it? What time?

SPEAKER_01:

What's going on? What's going on?

SPEAKER_03:

When do you need to see me again?

SPEAKER_01:

What are you guys talking about?

SPEAKER_03:

I just want to rally, rally, rally with a damn range.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, that's how you treat that, bro.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01:

That's some wild shit.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, you guys are going place, you're moving.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, my bo my main man.

SPEAKER_05:

It makes sense though, because he's been traveling around the world.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh around the United States.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. That's his main talking piece. Whenever he meets new people that he networks with, he's like, hey, uh, what's the time?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. He goes, he sees one of his one of his new girls, and he's just like, oh, so I have uh this timer here.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, is this is this time right?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. Hey, is this the same time you got? Hey, uh, when are you ready for an interview?

unknown:

You see that symbol?

SPEAKER_05:

I manage Grizzly Talks, you know? Yeah, you know, one of the biggest platforms in the Central Valley.

SPEAKER_01:

You ever heard of him? What's going on right here? I don't hey this symbol looks kind of weird right here. What is that?

SPEAKER_05:

That time look right. I can't read. Can you say, can you read what this says?

SPEAKER_01:

Can you read the name of this box? What's the price on this? Is it$50? Is he a price tag on this? Does that say$40,000? What is that? 25 karat gold?

SPEAKER_05:

Hey, can you tell? Is this played or is this real? Welcome back to another episode of The Broke Boys. This is the third uh part series right here, and we have the one, the only, the Rolex wearing king right here.

SPEAKER_01:

Is that me? Oh my name's uh David. You can find me on Instagram as DavidAvarez F underscore.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. So it's a pleasure uh being able to work with all you guys, and I can tell that you guys all have different personalities. You're the definitely the comedic comedic one.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. I'm just drunk today. I don't drink. I mean, I don't drink. I mean I don't talk.

SPEAKER_04:

I don't talk happy dad right next to you, unopened.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, this is going to be one of our sponsors.

SPEAKER_04:

Right there.

SPEAKER_01:

We're currently in the talks with uh one of their employees right now.

SPEAKER_04:

But hey Yacht Waters, if you see this, please collab.

SPEAKER_01:

Big shout out to my main man uh Ruben from uh Rasa Golf.

SPEAKER_05:

Dang that's right. So you guys were uh doing that whole thing, uh the golf course, and I saw it. So you you're the connect of you're the big you're the whole connection of the whole thing, huh? You ran and are the owner of Rasa Golf then. Rolex and everything. That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god, it's gotta be CO, CO, maybe. No, that's my boy Ruben.

SPEAKER_05:

He's just sleeping, he's being humble. Look at that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's my boy Ruben. Um, I forgot his last name. I got Alvarez? No, no, David. His name's Ruben. He's from uh LA. He's like, he's pretty tight. Like he's calling me every once in a while, game, putting me up on game and shit. He's he's as cool as dude. He has got a uh you know what? They're actually coming. I think he's coming out this month. They're gonna do another golf event.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

We're gonna have to bring you guys out there.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, I'd love to. Does it come with happy dads?

SPEAKER_01:

No, uh they're sponsored by Corona Premiere.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, all right, Mr. Low Carbs. Love this. Love the Kings. Love it. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01:

Rolex is passing to my boy Mike on the mic.

SPEAKER_05:

Shout out to Mike. Shout out, Mike, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_05:

So I I want to dive in deep. Like, you know, like how was your upbringing here in Fresno? Are you here from Fresno?

SPEAKER_01:

So are you from L? I'm from that's you've been looking into me?

SPEAKER_05:

Well, I know the manager.

SPEAKER_01:

That's crazy. So yeah, I'm I'm from Fresno. I mean, I always say I'm from Fresno because I out of the 20 seven out of the 27 years I've been alive, 26 I spent here in Fresno. But uh originally I'm born in Ventura County, in Ventura. Uh my family, when they came from Mexico, they went to Oxnard, which is Ventura County. Was born there one year in, came over here, and I've been in Fresno ever since. So I'm I'm from Fresno. That's real. I represent it. I don't I don't claim Ventura, I don't claim LA, I claim Fresno.

SPEAKER_04:

And I mean, I'm pretty sure they'd probably be mad at you if you claimed Ventura in Oxnard, if they would be like, he was only here when you was one year old. Exactly. I get it. He leveled up. He leveled up.

SPEAKER_05:

Moody Fresno, Reppin Fresno, Rolex on, Rolex on, Fresno, Friends Rasa Golf.

SPEAKER_01:

Never trusted.

SPEAKER_05:

Sponsored by Corona Premiere. Sponsored by Corona Premiere and Happy Dads. And happy dads.

SPEAKER_01:

That's not me. That's not me.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, don't hide it. Don't hide it.

SPEAKER_04:

Don't hide it. And sponsored by Never Trusted Now.

SPEAKER_01:

Actually, sponsored by uh Buki BC. You guys haven't tried it? No. We're gonna have to put you guys on. It's probably the best it is the best beer in like the whole wide world. Both uh 20 2024 and 2025, they took the gold cup at the beer world cup in Las Vegas and in Monterrey. Oh dang. Yeah. Uh you know what? I actually invested into it. I need a follow-up on that.

SPEAKER_05:

So I I have a question. So when I had seen you guys had gotten a beer sponsorship on your guys' platform. Bookie BG. How was that? How did you how did that come?

SPEAKER_01:

Like how did it well honestly like how was the network before that? Honestly, again, like big shout out to my main man Ruben. Uh uh we met the we met David Martinez out at the Rasa Golf event. We went to a uh sponsorship event a day or two days before the Rasa Golf. And we met both David Martinez and Jose Jimenez from VMG. Uh we just told him like we got a podcast out here. We did the I don't know if you guys saw the video for Rasa Golf, but we did kind of a little recap for them.

SPEAKER_05:

I saw I saw the recap and then I saw you guys' comedy skits.

SPEAKER_01:

For Rasa Golf? Yeah. Oh shit, no way. I don't I didn't even see it, but you know what? Actually, a thing about Rasa Golf, we kind of fucked up on that. Uh we had like the best content for that thing. Like we were supposed to do a vlog for them, and we had like the sickest interactions. We we interacted with the president or the vice president of uh Univision. We interacted with Casey from Casey and Carmen. Um we interacted with some pretty big people. There was uh uh tequila, like people out there. There was what's that thing called? Um mezcal, like there was owners of mezcal out there, like there was some there was some pretty big people out there, and we were we were interacting with a lot of people. Uh they're behind the scenes, so I don't know if they would want to be named and stuff, but uh we fucked up because we didn't have our our audio connected to it. It looked it looked like we had the audio connected, but nothing was on the actual on the actual mic, it wasn't pushed in all the way, so our whole vlog went to shit, but it it was a pretty cool vlog. But we ended up doing a vlog for Rasa Golf, and then David Martinez, which is the main distributor for Buki Beach in California, he he saw what we were doing, saw the video, and then he's all like I gotta like put these guys on or something. He messaged us, came on, we did a quick little meeting. We didn't know what he was talking about or what he wanted to talk about, and uh he just presented it to us and we're like, yeah, like let's do it. Um we were supposed to do a bunch of stuff with him. Um I think he has too many projects right now, so uh we'll see what happens. But um I think I think I don't know if it if I am or not, but I think I'm one of the investors in that thing.

SPEAKER_05:

So you got a lot of things on your mind as a manager, that's why.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. I'm just I'm just a truck driver.

SPEAKER_04:

He's invested in his next Rolex. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, Mike, Mike, whenever you want to buy me another 100,000. He's gonna come back with three of them off.

SPEAKER_04:

He's gonna have the rose gold, the gold, and the platinum.

SPEAKER_01:

We're gonna have to drill some uh some holes in this to put some diamonds on it. Some bezels in that.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh god. He's gonna be walking around. I have the time frame for China, the time frame for Mexico, and Pacific time.

SPEAKER_04:

What what time do you need? You need military time? I got you.

SPEAKER_01:

What is what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04:

So, with that being said, um did you ever picture yourself being in the position that you are today, like being a part of a podcast and and networking like that?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, okay, so uh all right, so currently uh I took a little break. Um anything that you see right now on RizzyTalk, it's 100% oh my god, like he's doing absolutely he's doing the clips, he's recording, he's he's literally doing everything right now. So uh at the moment, I'm not doing too much. I had to take a step back because bad decisions in your life, you gotta like be accountable and you gotta take care of them. So right now, I'm currently a truck driver. Uh I'm not I'm not too involved, but I try to be as much as I can. So uh I mean shout out to Mike for like all the big things that are happening right now. That that's all Mike. So all the big people you're gonna see, like that's Mike. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh Mike, oh Mike.

SPEAKER_01:

Real talk. But uh I mean if you guys want to talk about when I was actually involved in Grizzly Talk, uh we could do that.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01:

So, like Mike probably mentioned in his interview, uh we were living together for like, I think we were living together for six months. He's that guy's literally the best guy in the whole wide world. I met him back in 2018, I believe. Um he's he was my insurance agent. So officially or originally, uh I took my mom in there. Um I was literally at the place where Mike worked at first, like that company.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And um they're trying to like give me some high-ass prices. Like my bill was gonna be like 130 or 150, but in order to get the actual insurance, I was supposed to pay like 400 bucks. And I was like, why do I gotta pay more now than what I'm gonna pay a month? And I was like, nah. And like little by little they started bringing it down. But uh, we ended up at the place where he works at now, which is AAA, and uh we got insurance with him. I came back because I liked his customer service or whatever, and I got insurance for my cars. Uh he's like big into investing, and I was two at the time, and we like little by little like started connecting over that uh over investing, I guess. I think he was doing Forex, I was doing uh regular like stocks investing. Uh but but anyways, we ended up like coming together later. And why are you smiling?

SPEAKER_05:

Mike's in the back smiling.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think it's because I'm drunk or something, but but anyways, um we ended up living together, like uh we became friends maybe what like October, the early the beginning of October of 2023 or 2022. Something like that. It was a Halloween, but 2022, because I threw party 2022. So it was 2022, we became friends. Like a month later, um the lady where the house that I lived at, she was having a big like divorce thing with her husband. I had to move out. Mike was like the only person that helped me out. I ended up living him with him because of it. So that's what I'm saying. He's like the best, like only person to reach out to help me and stuff. But uh during that time he was telling me like uh like oh like I would want to have a podcast. And I just kept that in the back of my mind. Uh one day, like, I see a post on Instagram of Ty Lopez, and he's all like uh get me on as a guest on your podcast. And I sent it to him, I was like, is this a sign? He's all like I think it is. But he was just messing around, he wasn't even being serious. And you see, he wasn't being serious. And I was like, okay, bet. And then I go on Craigslist, I go on Facebook, I go on offer up, and I start looking for everything. Um, I ended up getting mics, couches, lights, and I was like, hey, like, look, these are all the these are all the things. He's all like, oh shit, you're actually being serious? I was like, yeah, like I already messaged these people, like we're gonna go get them right now. Uh I came from like I think I was on my way from like Salinas or something. And oh no, he was on the way from where do you go? I think you went to San Jose, right? Yeah, he was on his way back from San Jose, and I was coming back from like Merced or something, and then he's all like, Oh, I'll be in Fresno this time. I was like, I'm gonna be there at the same time. Like, let's just go get the couches. And we went, we got the couches. Uh the next day I went, got the mics, and I think like a week later I went and I got the lights. So uh I think early stages I was really involved because I I was pushing, like I pushed Mike to like do it and stuff. Um I think other than that, I really didn't do anything. Honestly, like uh I had connections before, maybe like out of business. Mike is not in his head, like yeah, I really didn't do anything. Like what did I do?

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, at the end of the day, you were like a good push. I mean, maybe even if it was just that one you were the one that was telling them.

SPEAKER_08:

It was the full, like our full first year. Well, we're a little past the first year, but every connection came through this guy. It was like one connection led to another, to another, to another, to another.

SPEAKER_01:

So originally I had a so I used to be a truck driver, like I said, or I don't know if I said it, but I used to be a truck driver. I am you're still now I am now a truck driver again. Yeah, but I used to be a truck driver, I hated it, so I just started like listening to audiobooks and stuff like throughout the whole time. I would just listen to audiobooks, podcasts, sales, like it was out psychology, yeah. Psychology, we need to talk about psychology. But um uh so right after truck driving, I went into sales, and I was probably brand new, I was probably like top five, like two, three months straight. Like just sales. So from there, I started my own business, and through that business, I made it a big focus because it was a l like it was like uh home service. I made it a point to make it like locals involved in it. So uh if I could I would put like local restaurants in there. If I could I'd uh shout out other like like junkyards or like trash pickup, like I would do like a bunch of local stuff. So because of that, I would shout out a lot of uh Anthony Sacos.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And I remember like since they're so big and they're like super media focused, I was like, they're gonna be like one of the people that we hit up. And I think they were the very first people I hit up, but they were getting married that week. So instead, I think uh Mike got one of his good friends, which was what which is I don't know why you didn't talk about it, which is one of his biggest influences in his whole life. Uh he got him on, and I got on one of my real estate friends, and then I think the third episode, Anthony Stockholes came on, and they were like the biggest uh they were the biggest thing for us. Because of that, we got into Hoggirl Halloween, and because of that we met K Ridge, we met Stunna, we met a bunch of

SPEAKER_05:

People so how was it like working with K-Ridge?

SPEAKER_01:

That's great. I really haven't worked with him. You know, uh the thing about me is I like I like um I like helping other people out. So like even if it doesn't affect me, so even if it doesn't affect me, like um I like to introduce people to each other. And the reason I met K-Rich was because of Ben. Ben is like a huge Ben is a person that works with him so much. And uh I feel like the person that K Rich benefited the most was uh Luis. So uh I'm pretty sure it really helped Luis out in his what he's doing now. Journey. But uh yeah, definitely in his journey. Um I really haven't talked to him much. I probably had like four interactions with him. But uh he's a he was a cool guy. He after we did his media thing, like he thanked us all and like he got us pizza.

SPEAKER_04:

So heck yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Pizza. Yeah, it was good pizza too.

SPEAKER_04:

All right, main question. What's the top pizza spot in Fresno for you?

SPEAKER_01:

That's crazy. Come on, I know you got it. I thought he was gonna ask me, like, oh, like how did how did how did your dad affect your towel or something? Some deep ass shit, you know? Uh top pizza spot. Come on. Uh if you would ask me back in high school, it'd be Dougie Fresh right in front of Fresno High.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Okay. Uh now, some basic as shit. Fucking me and eds. No, no. I like the hot, I like hot Hawaiian for me and eds. Okay, but I love Hawaiian. I'm gonna be honest.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm gonna be honest. They got the best ranch. Do they? I'm gonna stand on it.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what?

SPEAKER_04:

Best ranch. I know. Me and Ed? Yeah. Me and Eds.

SPEAKER_05:

Best ranch. What you got? Oh, hell no. What you got? I hands down, I don't give a fuck what anyone says. Anybody that has the best ranch, it's Carl Jr.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm talking for pizza.

SPEAKER_03:

Come on, bro. Come on.

SPEAKER_04:

No, rant.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm talking about ranch. I'm a rant enthusiast. A rant bachelor. Carl Jr. is the best rant. I never buttered no rant from this.

SPEAKER_01:

Your trip is.

SPEAKER_05:

I didn't even know we were talking about listen, listen.

SPEAKER_01:

No, we're talking about this. I don't I don't like this place. Uh I don't like the wings.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, sorry, this is the studio.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't I no I don't like I don't like the wings. I don't like the wings at this place, but the best rant is uh wing stop. Nah. Wingstop is the best rant.

SPEAKER_04:

Mike. Mike is agreeing with them. Listen, between Mountain Mike's and me and Ed's, I can't tell the difference. But Mountain Mike's pizza, I'll stand on that. Motherfucker ever pressed me about what's the best.

SPEAKER_05:

It's just pricey as a motherfucker, bro.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. It's the five guys of the pizza industry.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

My favorite pizza spot that I like to go to is called More Than Pizza. I've heard about them. I'm talking Bullard and West.

SPEAKER_01:

Bouldard and West.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Right across the street from the Dutch Ros. Crazy. That's where me and Mike met. At that place? Bouldard and West. Wait, was it Boulder and West?

unknown:

No, it was uh Bullard and Palm.

SPEAKER_01:

He said Well. Correct. He said Boulder and Palm. He said.

SPEAKER_05:

You guys just like, you know, locked eyes like walking across the street or at what?

SPEAKER_01:

It was fruit and shaw. Fruit and shaw. Fruit and shaw yeah, fruit and shaw. Fruit and shaw where we fell in love.

SPEAKER_05:

What? So how did that interaction start? Did you guys were walking past each other and water?

SPEAKER_01:

Well originally fallen in love. Oh, at the barber shop. I was originally he was my insurance agent. He saw it's fresh cut. Yeah, I know the hell.

SPEAKER_05:

He saw it's fresh cut and was like, damn. Damn.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so originally he was my insurance agent. And then I'm gonna have to expose Mike real quick. Oh shit. Mike, should I expose you? Yes. Go ahead, brother. Alright, so so this is one day he walks into the oh no, okay. So originally, first time I ever saw him outside of the office, we were a bullet and palm. And he walks into the barbershop's fucking highest shit. And he's sitting down, and I see him while I'm getting my hair cut. After I have, I think I have to wait for my little brother to get his hair cut, and I go sit next to him. And uh I would see on his Instagram that he was investing like on the Forex shit, and I go sit next to him, and I'm just like, you invest or what? So you were peeping on his phone? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, I would, I would see, I would see his uh No I would see his Instagram post.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, I thought he said that he was looking at your Instagram actually.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what I thought too. You're beeping at his phone. I would see his Instagram before. And and then that day, like I didn't know what the hell to tell him. Like, um so I just looked at him and I just said some stupid shit. I was just like, you invest or what? Oh shit, they're getting him in trouble. Oh, he's in trouble.

SPEAKER_02:

Hey babe, I'm at the studio. Look, I'm at the stud, babe.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just sitting in the studio, just trying to get to you, babe.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm at the studio. You're you're you're live on the podcast. You're interrupting David's episode.

SPEAKER_01:

That's alright, I forgive you. Yeah, I'm still recording right now.

SPEAKER_05:

They're all asking where's the where the broke girls at? The broke girls, the rich girls. Alright then, I gotta get back to the bad.

SPEAKER_04:

She said he's grounded when he gets home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

After this uh quick interruption. I gotta I gotta borrow your Rolex.

SPEAKER_05:

It's so new where I don't know how to he's like it's it's embedded in my skin. I can't take it off.

SPEAKER_01:

It's permanent jewelry. They had to sew this shit on to me. But okay, so uh so I saw him at the You were scrolling through his TikTok. No, but I would see his stories and stuff of him investing and stuff, so I sat down next to him and I said some stupid shit. But it he was high as fuck, and he just looks at me, he's like, What? Like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I I do. And then we started talking a little bit about that. And then he got his hair cut, so I didn't really talk to him much. And then I think it was the following year, or maybe the same year, it was a Thanksgiving. He walks in, he swears he didn't walk in with a girl, but he walked in with a girl, she sat down, and I was walking out already, and then uh he's all like, Let's kill the shot or what? Because his barber was he handed him like like this much of a fucking bottle. Right. And uh he's all like, let's kill the shot or what? And I was like, I was like, fuck it. And then we became friends that year. The following year we did the same shit, and uh I think little by little, like each hot each holiday, we would just drink, and then finally 2022 comes, and I hit him up for when I when I quit my job, I quit because I was starting a restaurant. And I hit him up and I was like, hey, uh, because I saw he would invest, I was like, hey, you know anybody that's looking to invest into a restaurant? And he's all like, oh me, like I'm I'm looking to do, I'm looking to invest into a restaurant. So we meet up, and then I'd find out his story that he like grew up working at a restaurant, a family restaurant, and little by little we start talking. Um then we became best friends, and like uh like the second time we met up, I broke up with my ex or with my BM. And I don't know, like we just had like a crazy deep conversation, and right we keep we became blood brothers. Like for some reason we had the same DNA after that. Right.

SPEAKER_04:

So it's crazy. You were his secret admirer on Instagram at first.

SPEAKER_01:

And then we became blood brothers.

SPEAKER_04:

So you were stalking him. That's what that's what it sounds like.

unknown:

He knew exactly how to trap me.

SPEAKER_01:

He knew exactly you know what's crazy. He swears that I followed him first on Instagram, but he followed me.

SPEAKER_04:

Um put out the receipt.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I got the receipt. So who's the pitcher and who's the cooker? Um I'm the pitcher. Fucking mics.

SPEAKER_07:

Mike is blind.

SPEAKER_05:

So what was your experience like in the restaurant business?

SPEAKER_01:

I have none.

SPEAKER_05:

None?

SPEAKER_01:

Literally, I have none.

SPEAKER_04:

He said, I want to invest. You used to run one. What's up?

SPEAKER_01:

No, well, I didn't know he used to run one. So something about me, I grew up, I grew up poor as shit. Like uh we would like between because my parents divorced maybe when I was three years old. So from the ages of three to five when I was in kindergarten, we would literally like move every single month into either a new apartment, a new hotel room, uh, someone's fucking garage, someone's backhouse. Like we were moving like from place to place. Uh but like I don't know what it was. Like, I was always into like sales. So after living that uh in kindergarten in first, second, third, like when till whenever the fuck you would stop selling stuff. Um that was always my favorite thing. So I'd go door to door. Like I didn't even know that's what you were supposed to do. I would just go door to door, knocking on people's houses, selling them stuff. And one of the things they talk about most is I was selling chocolates one day in my apartments, and I go up to this older man and I was like, hey, like I'm selling chocolates. Oh, do you want to buy any? And he's all like, Oh yeah, how much is it? And I think that I think I I think that year I was selling C's candy, so it wasn't a dollar, it was a dollar fifty. And I was like, Oh, it's a dollar fifty. He's like, Why so much? I was like, it's C's candy. He's all like, oh okay. So then instead of giving me what it was worth, he gave me the 50 cents extra. So instead of the dollar fifty, he gave me two dollars. And in my mind, it didn't like my mind exploded. I was like, what the hell? Like, this is more than what I asked for. Like, why are you doing that? And then kind of my mind exploded from there. And uh I kind of started thinking more about like not really, but uh, I would just think more about like sales, and I just like this so much. And my mind has always been like uh uh investing and owning a restaurant and all of this stuff. And even though I didn't, I did, I didn't know what it was, right? I always knew someone owned something. So my mom would tell me like, oh, when you grow up, like buy me a house, buy me an buy me a restaurant, buy me this, buy me that. And that always stuck with me. And then once I got older, uh, I kind of learned more, like started reading more about it and stuff. And just one day I was like, you know what? I think I could do this, I could I could start something. And I just uh I just went for it and I started or I tried to start a restaurant, it never actually happened, but uh a lot of different things. Uh I had some money saved up and uh I was too trusting of people. The lady that I was going to get the place from, she had a son that was working or that works for her. And because I trusted her so much, I kinda trusted him and I let him borrow money, and uh he fucked me over. Till this day I don't have the money, but somehow my BM got the money from him. And I mean she's my BM, so I'm not gonna be like, oh, like give me the money. Like, no, like she used it for my kids, so it's good. Right, right. Uh so that happened. I got fucked over with money. Uh my investors had to back out too for personal reasons, and uh, it just wasn't right timing. I'm pretty sure we'll do it eventually, but but yeah, but that happened.

SPEAKER_05:

What a story. Yeah, that's a crazy story. That's a crazy story of how you met Mike and all that, too. Like, yeah, can't even imagine. A barber shop?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh uh insurance office.

SPEAKER_04:

Insurance office, yeah. I might have to convert my insurance to him because uh after that great customer service and where it led you to, I might need to fall in love. If he gives me a Rolex in my first my first uh policy, yeah, he gives Rolex shit. I need one in Platinum, please. With that being said, um so just based on the heights that you've reached, the accomplishments that you guys have gotten to up until this point, what are some of your goals that you have for like maybe the next year? Do you have any goals uh set up yet?

SPEAKER_01:

What what kind of goals?

SPEAKER_04:

Any type of goals like that?

SPEAKER_01:

For Grizzly Talk, for myself, it can be everything both for myself. Um so like I said, I I grew up poor, whatever, but uh I have like some crazy at least people say that it's crazy, but my financial goal is two million a month. How am I gonna get there? I have no idea, but I'm I'm pretty sure I I can, but yeah. Uh I want to do big I want to make a big effect on the world and stuff. So uh one of the things that I'm looking at into right now, since I'm a truck driver again, I've noticed that uh we're really unhealthy. Like I mean, I'm overweight, but we go to truck stops and like all the time.

SPEAKER_05:

Like he said, we're really unhealthy, and he looked at me and fucked up. No, no, knowing I'm a truck driver too.

SPEAKER_01:

You're a truck driver too. But is that the key?

SPEAKER_05:

Do I need to become a truck driver?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_04:

You gotta be unhealthy, brother. I've been like this since I was. I need that. I need that.

SPEAKER_05:

You see, David, he said it, he's he's just like, you gotta be unhealthy. He just stared at me like, oh, alright. I just need to get my class, so I'll give away that. You gotta eat Wendy's or Arby's or Arby's.

SPEAKER_04:

No, Arby's got horse up. No. I know Arby's deer ankle, please. Subway too. Okay, I gotta ask you, do you genuinely eat Arby's? Nah. Okay, okay. I had to make sure I had to I had to fact check.

SPEAKER_01:

So like you were saying, no, but uh so there is a lot of uh I want to make a big I want to make a like big impact in the world. One of the things is that I've noticed is that a lot of truck drivers like we're really unhealthy. We eat like a bunch of junk food because that's all that's that's all that we have, you know? Uh-huh. That's all that's it's easy. Like we just go into the truck stop and they have yeah. They have subway is probably one of the healthier options, but they have subway. They got the cinnabon there, bro.

SPEAKER_04:

The Cinnabon's be looking so fast, bro.

SPEAKER_01:

They just have so much sugar and stuff. I want to make a change there. Like, I don't know if to have gyms at truck stops or uh try to find healthier options, maybe even go into the government and like fix it. You know, I don't know, I don't know, something. But I just want to make a big impact in the world. And uh one of the things that I want to change is like the trucking industry. Um so that's probably one of my goals, like to make trucking healthy or whatever. Uh for Grizzly Talk since the beginning, we always wanted to be like the hub of Fresno. Like we always wanted to say, like, or we always wanted to put Fresno on the map. So if anyone from out of town comes in, like we want to talk to them, like we want to put a spotlight into them, and hopefully in return, they put a spotlight into Fresno. Because I feel like we have so much potential here. Yeah. We're right in the middle of everything, like yeah, everything's what four hours max. Like maybe maybe if you go to San Diego with six hours, but like everything's so close to us. Uh but I think our goal for or at least my goal for Grizzly Talk would be to like uh make Grizzly Talk the hub of Fresno. Um other than that, I don't know what other goals I would have. Like my big goal is to make a big change in the trucking industry, maybe, maybe some other shit, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_05:

But um I mean more Rolexes. More Rolex.

SPEAKER_01:

Hopefully, hopefully I I'm able to make Mike rich so he can give me another Rolex. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

You guys are are destined to it, man. You're already on the way there. You're his manager. I mean, you got Rasa Golf on your back.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, hopefully, hopefully you guys can come to that. Because it was it was pretty cool. Um Rasa Golf, uh, their big goal was to put like more brown on the green.

SPEAKER_05:

And I had seen that that you guys had or they had a lot of uh athletes out there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they have at least in LA, they have a lot of connections.

SPEAKER_05:

Because I know like uh one of the people that we grew up in high school with, uh Jalen Johnson, he was out here. He was playing golf with them. With RSA golf? Yeah. Oh shit. And he's a NFL uh right now he's with the Chicago Bears. He's a cornerback.

SPEAKER_01:

What school did you guys go to? You guys went to school together? Yep. Oh shit, okay. That's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_05:

We we don't have the the amazing story, like the love story that you and Mike had. No, for real.

SPEAKER_01:

Um me and Mike are winning a million. By interest for me, you might get a rolling.

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_04:

Exactly. Ours is more based on trauma and and trauma. Yeah. Something like that.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, I know you wanted to speak on psychology because I think.

SPEAKER_01:

Recently I've been looking a lot into psychology. So uh, I mean, I never went to college for it or whatever, but I've been like honestly, I've been like searching to what is behind my traumas and stuff, right? And one of the biggest things is uh like my dad, right? So growing up, we would get beat by my stepmom, like my brother and I, because I only have one full brother. So my brother and I we would get beat by my stepmom. And my dad would never protect us. And like I always want I always wondered like why. Like, why would he take his stepkids to like trips? Why would he not protect us? Why would he like put up with so much stuff, right? And so I I just started deep diving deep into like psychology and stuff. Right. And one of the books that I was listening to is talks about um why men aren't men anymore. And the thing is back in the days, all men, all boys were with their fathers at the farm, and um boys were always with men working, learning how to be men, um just doing men shit, you know? Right. And as time goes by, now instead of everyone being a farmer, now there's some farmers, there's some people working as a fire, like fire department, police, there's uh iron workers, like they're just different stuff. Factories, factories played a big role in it. Yeah, and the the boys they can't go with their dads anymore. So what I learned is that now women are teaching men how to be men. And you can't do that, you know? Like women don't know how to be a man. And the way my dad grew up, his dad would always come to the US, then go back to Mexico and just meet one of his kids come back. Meet one of his kids come back. Like he would just go drop off, like he would just go get his wife pregnant or whatever. So my dad never grew up with a man. And in return, he saw how his mom was being treated and never wanted his women to be treated like that. So instead of protecting his kids, he protected his wife and in return hurt me, you know? So I mean, I forgave him, but like that's a thing that like I I dived into psychology because of it. And uh do you still got problems with it? With my dad, I have no problems, but I'm pretty sure I still have problems with it.

SPEAKER_05:

Like with your own trauma, like do you still do you see yourself like maybe get triggered or get upset about certain things and you're just like honestly?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh I've dove into psychology, but I've never took therapy myself. So if I I could say right now I it probably did. I can't say for sure because even though I understand it, I haven't treated my own, like my own stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_04:

Do you think it's affected because you mentioned you do have kids? Do you sometimes self-reflect and sometimes see those traits of your own father in you? Do you feel like you focus mainly on trying not to be like that? Or like has it affected you in that aspect?

SPEAKER_01:

Try like if that makes sense. So okay, so I have a daughter. Uh and um so I try, I really try my best to be there for her. Um but I feel like I feel like it did affect me a lot because I tried to be just a provider. I tried I tried to give the best to my daughter or whatever, right? But I can't emotionally support her. Right. Right. Like she's a really loving kid. Like um, she's the sweetest. Like kids could be like making trouble and she's trying to calm them down. Right. She's just like, she's just, she's probably the best kid you could ever ask for. And she's so affectionate, and every time I see her, she just wants to kiss me and give me hugs and like tell me that she loves me. And the thing is, even though I want to like show that to her, I just I just don't know how. So it definitely it definitely affected me like a lot, like growing up and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_04:

And I think that's something that a lot of people don't talk about is the fact that I mean it's it's obvious the way your parents treat you and the way the environment that you were raised in, it molds you to who you are when you become a parent. Now the hardest part is is do you recognize it and try and break that cycle for your kids?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, I'm definitely I'm definitely trying. Honestly, I I say I'm trying, but am I actually trying? Am I actually getting the help? I'm really not, you know.

SPEAKER_04:

I think it's sometime noticing those same traits, being able to remember, like, okay, if put in their position, am I just acting like my father when I was younger?

SPEAKER_05:

Right.

SPEAKER_04:

I think it's sometimes those moments of being able to self-reflect and remember, like, oh, maybe I shouldn't, maybe I shouldn't say this certain thing, or maybe I should try a different pattern. And I think a lot of it just has to do with this, you know, whether it's therapy or whether it's um trying to rebuild that bond with your your your child. I think a lot of it just stems from being able to self-reflect it. It's the same thing with like noticing your faults. You don't notice it until you think about it and you sit down and be like, maybe I shouldn't have done this. Yeah. Um, but again, I mean, I'm not a father, I'm not a not a parent. I'm not too sure about that point. But that is something that I've always thought about because I do come from a home of trauma, and um on a personal level, not to interrupt any of this, but I grew up always telling myself I didn't want to be anything like my dad. Um and always promised myself that if I ended up having kids, they wouldn't experience the same thing that I went through with my father.

SPEAKER_07:

Right.

SPEAKER_04:

But when you're in a situation, how easy is it to break that cycle? How easy is it to mentally stem away from what your father may have been through? And I think a lot of it just starts with uh understanding obviously your your father and your parents where they came from, what their environment was like, and understanding why they were the way they were. And again, reflecting back at yourself and being like, okay, maybe I need to change this environment for my kids so that way they don't have to go through what I went through.

SPEAKER_05:

Absolutely. No, and that's a that's a key factor is is understanding where they come from, where where the root of their issues are, and learning just to accept that that's their upbringing. Right. But you have to learn to accept that you can change that, you can alter that. Right. And you can break that curse, you can break that cycle. Um I've had this conversation with Mike uh before, like, you know, you want to break those generational curses. Yes. But it's it's not easy, it's hard, and uh you have to really find yourself and find what it what it is that you want to improve in and improve in your life because you don't want it to just you know keep eating at you and and messing messing with you. Right. Um so me for going to therapy and it helps out my social anxiety, it helps out my anxiety, and it also helps out my depression.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_05:

Um because again, I had a hard hard upbringing, yeah, but I always looked at everybody else as the excuse rather than myself. Right. Who put my ass who put me in all these situations? Right. I did. I kind of sit there and continue blaming my parents. Yeah, I had a fucked up childhood, yeah, I I have trauma, I have a lot of stuff that you know that that is buried within me, but I can't keep lashing out and using that as an excuse. Right, right. So uh for the most part, like it was just challenging, like finding yourself and really admitting, like, you know what, I need help. Right. And you to deal with you're always in that mentality of feeling like, oh, I'm not enough. I'm not doing good, I'm not doing anything right. Right. Um and I can't even imagine what it's like to be a dad, but I know you want to do everything you can for them to not feel the same way that you feel. Right. For them not to go through the same issues that you go through. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

What do you think uh was it that pushed you to go into therapy?

SPEAKER_05:

This year. This year was uh the one of my worst years uh personally. What I went through. Um and the position that I was put into. Uh the other thing was I wanted to finally uh I think it just finally just caught up to me. Everything that I never talked about, there's things that I couldn't talk about. There's there's uh situation that happened early on in the year that there was no control over it other than like, well, I have to let my character show if that's the bullshit that you guys want to run with. And it fucked me up so much that it made me question my own existence, it made me question what I'm doing, and it made me have doubt, and I didn't know if uh I was doing anything right. Seeing the platform blow up and it was going on the way that it was, and the mo you know that motion never stopped. But it definitely fucked me up because there were so many milestones that we were hitting, and I wasn't happy. I wasn't feeling like I accomplished anything. I was just feeling of like more of a burden, more uh anxious, more issues within my relationship, more issues within my family's relationship, and having to stand on the grief of cutting people off. And knowing that that was the best solution for myself and not have to deal with people's narcissistic tendencies and and and let them brush anything under the rug. So it really just uh challenged me a lot more with everything that and once that I think I think that whole ins incident was the last straw that that really broke me. I got a question. How did you how did you start therapy? I had to research. I had to research on who I wanted to because you want to find a therapist that you want, right? You know, you can't find just for some random one and be like, all right, picking you. Right. No, right. You want to do your own research, you want to look into who is what they specialize in. So my my therapist specializes in generational curses, uh childhood trauma, and um motivation. Gotcha. There's a motivational culture as well. So when when when I was doing research, I was going through different pages of different therapists. Right. And each doctor had different specials, like specials. Um they were specialists in their own field. Right. So I think I reached out to like five of them because it's almost like you're it's almost like a job application. Yeah. Because they have to fit you in in their schedule, they have to make sure your insurance takes it, or if you're gonna pay out of pocket. And you know, therapy is not cheap. I was gonna say, is it pretty expensive? It is pretty expensive, but um my insurance covers the majority of it. I just have to pay the remainder. Okay. Um, so if you're if you have a good insurance or good job that gives you good insurance, like I recommend using it, utilizing it.

SPEAKER_04:

I think the biggest thing that stops a lot of people from getting into therapy is how to go about looking for a therapist, but also the sense of like, well, I don't have the money for it. Yeah. Which is crazy to say that sometimes you're not you don't get paid enough to pay for peace of mind.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Um, I think that's crazy because I think that peace of mind and and at least being able to have straightforward thinking and a stress-free life should be priceless. You know, I I think that should be something that should be available to everybody. Because I mean some people grow up having some of the worst traumas in the world, but have so much talent or have so much to give, but they can't reach that route or give that uh to the world because they're stuck in their trauma. Um, and I think that having that available help means a lot. That's why I was asking you how you got into it and so on, so that way the audience can kind of take a grasp of the reality of what it's like if you do need that help to you know reach out to you.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, absolutely. And I think it is important. Like, you know, especially growing up in a toxic Hispanic household, you see therapy as like, hey, it don't exist. That shit don't exist. Like, get your ass to work, move the fuck on, drink another happy dad, yeah, you know, get over it. Yeah. Um and it's that guy right there. And you know, like uh I that's why I don't like to drink. I'll only have I'm always a one and done type of person. Yeah. Um, because I grew up with an abusive alcoholic father. Right. And uh we got into a lot of physical fights. Um and again, like I just I always told myself I'm never gonna be like my dad. Right. And uh I love my dad. Right. Uh and I understand where he comes from, but it took me so long to get to that point. Right. Um, because there was a point in time where you know, hey, I don't want to be associated with any of you guys. Right. And um again, which is why like uh therapy is helping me out. Um and I get it. It's not for everybody and it's it's for whenever you're ready to do it. Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Would you because okay, so I mean I grew up like super like you don't talk about your problems, right? Like same. If there was a if there was a fight, okay, it's a big ass fight today, but tomorrow we're acting like nothing happened. Right. So for the people that are questioning it, and with I, what is AI like getting so advanced, how do you guys feel about like people doing therapy through that, like through AI?

SPEAKER_05:

There's people that they find the comfort through AI, and uh, you know, I I think AI still has a lot of techniques and options that it gives you about how to how to cope with a lot of things. It's the same thing as what I'm doing right now with therapy. I'm pretty sure they would give you the same itinerary or the same, you know, coping mechanisms to find to break the cycles. Um, but sometimes like you know, it's better for you to talk about it with somebody else and open, like really open yourself up to somebody who isn't unbiased, who isn't it? Someone who can listen to you and where you can actually pour your truth and they won't judge you, they won't use it against you, they won't because that was the other thing, too, is like I didn't have you know uh friends that I can really rely on and say things because I would open up and say about them and they would go and use that as fuel. And um, and again, like I I've leaned on DJ a lot for sure. Um, but DJ and DJ, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You've also leaned on DJ, yeah. I've also leaned on DJ.

SPEAKER_04:

Sometimes that motherfucker leave me hanging, but nah, but fucking DJ.

SPEAKER_05:

But DJ isn't around all the time. He's not gonna he's not around 24-7, he's not there, you know, when when I'm spiraling. Um and so again, like uh we really leaned on a lot of deep conversations with everybody. Um, but again, people use that as as fuel and they use that shit against you, and they think that it wasn't gonna affect you.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. I I do think that AI can help in certain ways. Um, I don't want to speak too much on that topic because I mean I'm not going through therapy, so I'm not too sure how to answer that question fully, but I do think that having an unbiased and an actual human interaction with someone who may be able to understand a little bit your situation a little bit deeper because they can relate to some of those things, um, I think helps a lot more than you know, AI. But I I'm also thinking like, well, with AI being programmed by a human, I'm assuming that they use previous uh therapy sessions from other clients and they kind of put together that information to try and get an answer or try and get help that fits your situation the closest as what the previous clients have had.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, as a man, I think they're also taught like not to talk about your problems. Yeah. So it's like I feel like that might be a big thing to a lot of men not going to therapy. Because the my friends that do go to therapy, it's usually girls. Yeah. Out of I don't know, out of five girls, probably three of the girls that I know go to therapy. But as a man, I think the first time I actually ever saw anybody go to therapy wasn't even actually like someone I knew, it was from the sopranos. Like, what do you think needs to change for men to start going more?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh being more vulnerable. I mean, you get you get the vulnerability when somebody's drunk or under the influence. And um which is why like sometimes you get those people that are like, oh, I'm uh I'm a crying drunk, or I'm a happy drunk, or I'm a sad drunk, whatever it is. But that oh I love you fool.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, those ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Um, those one. And then the talking about me?

SPEAKER_07:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05:

I ain't I ain't heard it yet. I ain't heard it. But uh I I think that's where it just it comes out. Like, um you you want to be vulnerable, you want to open up and and and just talk to whoever it is. And and again, I want to give a huge huge shout out to to Kat. She's my rock, because she's always preached about therapy. Um, she's preached about it from years because she grew up, you know, going to therapy. And and Kat comes from a well family, like, you know, they're what is it? Uh both have great jobs, well off, you know, well taken care of, right? And everything. Um, so she was completely opposite for me. So when I would talk to her about my problems sometimes, she would be like, You need therapy. Yeah. And I'd be like, that's not what I want from you, bro. Like, I just want you to listen to my problems. Don't fucking tell me why I need therapy. Yeah. And I used to be like that. I used to be like, I don't need fucking therapy. Like, I'm fine the way that I am. And she would be like, No, look at you. And I'd be like, What's wrong with me? But again, like I and there would be like certain times where I'd be like, fuck, I'm catching myself getting a little too aggressive. Yeah. Or I'm catching myself being a little too um ignorant.

SPEAKER_04:

And I think that's also what goes back to what I was saying earlier, is being able to self-reflect is the first step. If you can self-reflect and understand, um you're not you're not acting in the way that you should be, or you're not being the person that you truly should be.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Um is the first step. And then trying to correct it being the second. So whether it's therapy or whether it's you know, correcting it yourself through practices, I think it helps a lot, but just not doing anything about it, that's the that's the thing that keeps the cycle going, unfortunately, through those generational curses and stuff like that. I've definitely caught myself doing that. Um I was gonna say something, but I have to stop myself because we don't promote drug usage, obviously. Um but David's like I do, look at him.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't do drugs no more.

SPEAKER_04:

But 1000% I do think that if you if you feel like you're repeating the same cycles, um, it's ruining your relationships with people, uh, whether it's a relationship with your partner or a friendship, or um, even if it comes down to your kids, if you feel like you're doing something that's in a toxic manner, like get that help. Yeah, you may not be able to figure it out by yourself, and that's okay. I do think that getting help is something that should be more morally accepted rather than being embarrassed because who's really gonna shame you for going to a therapist? Like Mike, Mike will shame me. He's gonna be like, bro, you should have just got another Rolex.

SPEAKER_01:

Bro, you should have just talked to me.

SPEAKER_04:

And I think that uh getting help is definitely something that shouldn't be shunned upon. I think it's something that people should promote, honestly.

SPEAKER_05:

It takes it takes a lot of guts going up to somebody else and actually pouring your whole life, yeah. And it takes so much uh power to open up and be vulnerable about your whole life. And I'm you know, like I'm not one of judge at all. Like I'm pretty open, I've been open for years in the platform, and I'm not I'm not ashamed of anything. Right. Um, so I do encourage it, and it's also like whenever you're ready, right? It's it's on your time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I think one of the problems with uh this, or one of the reasons why a lot of people don't go to therapy, the generation before us, the generation that fucked us up, uh they were taught like don't talk about your problems, right? Right. And the thing is they were taught by people that had men teaching them how to be men. And then the generation that we were taught by, they didn't have the men with there, you know. So is these hurt people got advice from people that were not as hurt, you know? Right. And the hurt people hurt us. Right. And now they're telling us not to do the thing that would help us be healed from the hurt that you just gave us. And and it's a lot of inf like uh there's a lot of influencers that are like, oh like these fucking soft ass, what are we gen X or whatever? Like back in our day, there was no such thing as depression. Like you just work through it. But the thing is, like you don't know because you didn't live it, you know. Yeah, like you're hurt, you're hurt hurt us, yeah, and the people before you weren't as hurt, so you don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I do think that um, well, I was gonna say something. It's like they you don't know something, so you don't know how to change it, right? So they may have been depressed, but depression what may have not been a thing during that time frame, so they're dismissing it and deflecting it onto you. Now you've recognized it. But my main question is, is how do you think that affects the children of the next generation? So obviously now we're promoting it.

SPEAKER_07:

Right.

SPEAKER_04:

We're saying, hey, get help if you need it. Do X, Y, and Z. Do you think that will help correct the next generation for the mental well-being? Or do you think that enables them to be like, oh, I'm depressed, but maybe they're not going through depression. Maybe it's just a small amount of sadness.

SPEAKER_05:

I think it's I think it's hard because you don't want you don't want to raise them the way that you were raised. Correct. Right? Correct. But then you don't also like I think about it too. Like if I were to have kids, I don't I want them to have the thick skin of me. Like, you know. But again, how much shit did I go through to get to the to the point where I'm at?

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

So I don't want them to ever feel or go through anything that I went through. So I definitely want to pay them uh on the right path, but I also want to show them like, hey, you have to be resilient. Right. You have to be transparent. Right. It's kind of hard. I can't I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_04:

Because I'm thinking about like the way I was raised, and obviously I've I've been able to differentiate depression from anxiety from all these different, you know, mental states. And obviously the generation before me, they didn't have all that. They weren't worried about none of that type of stuff. They just dealt with it. But we're dealing with a new form of uh treatment that hasn't been performed yet. So it's like there's gotta be an outcome, there's gotta be a positive and a negative between that. So I'm just trying to figure out is there really a negative to having that resource and having that that platform of being like, here, get help. Like if you are depressed, if you are sad, get help. Does that enable people to feel like entitled to being like, oh, I'm depressed, I need to go and get the situation handled? Does that oversaturate the field of therapy? Does that, you know what I'm saying? How does that negative negatively affect it? But yeah, that was just one of my questions.

SPEAKER_01:

So would you're afraid that maybe because we're so open with therapy, or at least this generation is so open with therapy, maybe we're gonna raise a soft generation?

SPEAKER_04:

I wouldn't say a soft generation, but I do think that it would it would kind of taint it in a sense. So the people who are truly d depressed may get dismissed off by the therapist because they're receiving so many people, so many clients saying, Oh, I'm depressed, I'm depressed. And it's oversaturating that field. So it's like, yeah, it's open. You if you need the help, you can go and do that. But how do you now differentiate people who are truly depressed from the ones who are doing it because they hear their peers are and they're trying to replicate that persona, you know what I'm saying? It's gonna be a problem. Yeah, and and that's just one of the things that I'm thinking about right now because again, everything that's positive has a negative to it.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Um, not that it may be a problem now, but it's just something to look forward to in the future, you know. I do think that the generation that we're raising right now, they're not soft asses.

SPEAKER_05:

I think uh I think we're living in such a tough time too. Because think about it, we have such a high interest rate of economy. Yes. Not a not a lot of people are getting paid enough.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. Not another not a lot of people are being able to live on their own. And that was another thing I wanted to speak on is the groceries.

SPEAKER_05:

Think about that.

SPEAKER_04:

The generation after us, I mean, the generation that we're currently living through, there's a lot of people in their 30s still living with their parents. And it's accepted, it's understood. And it's like, hey, I don't think.

SPEAKER_05:

They can't be like David over here, who's the biggest manager. No, God, David got the Rolex on his wrist.

SPEAKER_04:

He's got a he's got a six-bedroom mansion out in Clovis right now, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_01:

That's crazy. I actually have a studio. Hey, respected. Two seats in the front, a bed, a bed up top, and I think I got a microwave and a little mini fridge.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, got a Rolex on the wrist, and it's uh our our economy is tough.

SPEAKER_01:

It's called uh Kenworth 680.

SPEAKER_05:

Dude, you got a mobile setup.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh god, the double stacks?

SPEAKER_05:

Double stacks.

SPEAKER_04:

Upstairs, upstairs to get away.

SPEAKER_01:

If any of you guys want to visit, I got a bunk bed.

SPEAKER_04:

So I think that the next generation of kids are gonna go through uh a generation of life that we've never seen before. I mean, between having so much technology on hand now, between having so much mental health and mental health awareness, uh, the level of acceptance that our generation is being able to bring to the table in terms of understanding uh who we are as people versus what we went through growing up. And then on top of that, just the economy being as shit as it is, yeah. Not being able to have a home of your own. I mean, there's people out there raising their kids, and that kid's grandparents is living in the next bedroom to them. I mean, how common was that back in the days, you know? If that's the case, he's my and uh this episode was sponsored by Happy Dads. That's what I'm taking away from.

SPEAKER_01:

Happy Dads and Rolex. What's crazy is uh right now when you were speaking, I looked this way. Yeah. No, I saw that. I don't know who that is. I don't know. I don't know who that is, but I got scared. I got scared.

SPEAKER_04:

This episode is brought to you by hallucinations and uh alcohol abuse.

SPEAKER_01:

I thought I thought it I thought someone was outside looking at us.

SPEAKER_05:

I was like, oh, that was that was the fucking gorilla earlier. Yeah, when we walked in. I was uh unloading and then DJ and me and him are having a conversation and I looked, I looked inside and I was like, oh shit, who the fuck's in this thing? It's the gorilla just standing right there.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, okay. But back to the topic. I mean I mean, let's go ahead and let's wrap this up. Yeah, god we're having high talks right now. Thanks for thanks for I appreciate it. You were such you're an amazing guest.

SPEAKER_05:

Honestly, what is it that you have?

SPEAKER_04:

This is the best episode I've had in a while, I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what's crazy? Everyone says I'm always their favorite person.

SPEAKER_04:

How do you like your steak?

SPEAKER_01:

My steak.

SPEAKER_04:

How do you like your steak?

SPEAKER_01:

Let's get into this topic. Alright. So I just started looking. Okay, so I've always been overweight. I just started looking into this since I'm a truck driver, and like I said, I'm trying to find like the healthiest way for truck drivers or whatever. Right. So I came across the the diet, the carnival diet, and what they eat is steaks and all animal products. So eggs, uh butter, like simple shit. No vegetables, but just straight animal products. So I started eating steaks, and I mean I've always eaten, well not always, but when I had my own money or whatever, I started eating steaks. I started at medium well, graduated to medium rare. The other day I went to the uh steakhouse and I ordered medium rare, but I cut into my steak and it was rare. I try it, best thing ever. So I I have graduated to rare.

SPEAKER_05:

He's a real carnivore. He's a real one. Yeah, so I can't.

SPEAKER_01:

So every day, no, not every day, but most days, because it's a pretty hard diet to uh follow. Most days I eat when I'm on the road, I eat steak and eggs. And whenever I can, I go to a restaurant and I eat it. But uh I wouldn't cook my own rare because it it might be a little too dangerous for me to do it.

SPEAKER_05:

It might be too blue.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I'm I'm gonna stick to medium rare, but uh I might get some rare whenever I go into a restaurant.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm not gonna lie, I'm a medium well guy. I don't want to see no pink. If it is slightly, I don't mind it.

SPEAKER_05:

I think I'm still a medium. I don't want no blood.

unknown:

Medium rare.

SPEAKER_05:

Medium rare.

SPEAKER_04:

I've had my traumas of I can't go anything above it. Right. It's just I've had my traumas of food poisoning, and my stomach just don't like taking risks, so I I just try not to. Even though I know it's it's steak. Most people are like, no, you're safe, you're good. I don't even eat sushi. I don't I don't like you don't like sushi? I'll eat pokey every now and then, but it's not it's not common.

SPEAKER_05:

I don't like experimenting with other like forms of of of uh what is it that I'm trying to say? Like, you know how they say, like, oh, if you eat this, it's one of the most dangerous things. You have to go somewhere where they perfectly either cook it.

SPEAKER_01:

You're trying to eat some puff fish or what? Bro, I was trying to eat a snail.

SPEAKER_05:

I don't know, but whatever it has to do, like I'm like that.

SPEAKER_01:

You don't like to experiment with your food. No.

SPEAKER_04:

I like what I like and that's it. Yeah, it's real.

SPEAKER_01:

So how are you ever gonna know what you like? Because I know what I like. Yeah, you don't know to. You ever had boar? You ever had elk balls? Fucking who are you? Fucking uh, what's that fucking buff ass food? Liver key? The liver key? Who are you the liver key?

SPEAKER_03:

Bro, that was one of the wildest questions I've heard this man ask in my entire life. Elk balls?

SPEAKER_05:

There's a restaurant. I I have to I have to find it. It's here. Um the elk one here instead of the elk here. And they cook like exotic dog shake, like liver.

SPEAKER_04:

Let me know where it's at so I can start.

SPEAKER_05:

Have you tried liver? No, I haven't. Have you tried liver? No, I hate it.

SPEAKER_01:

Chewy? It's it's I don't know what it is. Like, it's just wait, human liver or what?

SPEAKER_03:

No, I was gonna say, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_01:

Cannibalism. No, no, no, no. Uh, I tried like goat liver or some shit like that. It tastes like I don't know, blood? I don't know what it tastes like. You ever had chitlins? It's really good for you, but I don't like it.

SPEAKER_04:

You ever had chitlins?

SPEAKER_01:

What is that? You don't want to know.

SPEAKER_04:

If you ain't never had it, you don't want to try it. I just asked, what is it? You don't want to try it. Remember on that episode of uh nah, I can't even I can't even.

SPEAKER_01:

You have to. You started the sentence already.

SPEAKER_04:

You'll know when somebody's cooking chitlins because it'll smell like straight.

SPEAKER_01:

When you start something, you gotta finish it. Nah, not me.

SPEAKER_04:

I'll leave it unfinished for later.

SPEAKER_05:

Nah. Yeah. Stay tuned for David's exotic eats.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, on God, because you gotta see that.

SPEAKER_01:

Some liver. Honestly, uh, I mean, I'm on the road right now. Once I come back, uh Grizzly talk's gonna be something bigger. Uh I would like to think I got it to the point that it's at now. But we're gonna be bigger than I don't know. We're we're gonna collab more, we're gonna do bigger stuff. Uh we might even do like some fucking food shit. Please. I know I know Mike wanted to do some like competitions and shit. We might start doing that.

SPEAKER_05:

Let us know. Can I be a judge?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh God. Please.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what?

unknown:

We gotta do some vlogs.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. Oh, we yeah, we're gonna start vlogging for sure. We got we gotta vlog our lifestyle, and Mike's gonna join my lifestyle pretty soon. Okay.

SPEAKER_08:

We need some characters though.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, yeah, let me know. Dude, are you you guys are trying to join the vlog, the Grizzly Talk vlog team or what?

SPEAKER_05:

Of course, of course. We would love to.

SPEAKER_01:

We we've so far what we've done, we've been to like the snow, we've went to donate food to uh homeless. What else have we done? We went to Woodlake to Wood Lake, yeah. We got we started trying to get involved with Mexican stuff, so we went to Wood Lake. Uh that's the we only got three boys out there. No, we got four. I don't know. Oh, the fourth one you guys went to Tower District. So we did the whole uh black books and rhyme books.

unknown:

And then with the Boss Life.

SPEAKER_01:

It was crazy meeting Boss Life. My main man Mike was scared to go talk to him.

unknown:

Oh, was it?

SPEAKER_01:

He was scared, but if if there's a little gem that I want to put out there is uh don't be afraid to do things and just do it. Uh I'm really I've always not always, but I'm the type of guy to like go 100% in. At the moment, I don't have too much to lose, so like it's all or nothing, you know? And that's how I saw Grizzly Talk. I went all in uh until I had nothing, so now I'm a truck driver.

SPEAKER_05:

But uh then you'll come back and you'll be all in again. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Just keep doing the most you can until you're successful and don't be afraid to do shit, you know. Yeah, like uh I would like to be more responsible and try to secure like a stability, but how I see it, if you don't risk it, like you'll never get there. And I think everyone has a different route or route, however you want to say it. Uh and I think I'll just continue going all in and shake.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, like that's beautiful. I love that message, man.

SPEAKER_01:

Everyone, everyone's everyone's story is different, and everyone's tolerance is different. And if you can't tolerate so much risk, just build your foundation and risk as much as you can. And I would say just everybody risk as much as you're willing to risk. And my case, I'm ready to risk it all.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh yeah. Basically, you said if you ain't about that life, don't try it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, try it. Everyone try it. Everyone do it.

SPEAKER_04:

Basically saying get the fuck out of the way.

SPEAKER_01:

Everyone, everyone risk as much as you can. And uh you might be more successful than me. Uh and I think most people are, but at the end of the day, like you're on top. The race isn't over, you know? Right. So, like, we'll see at the end. Right, right.

SPEAKER_04:

It's a marathon.

SPEAKER_05:

With his mobile studio. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

His Kinworth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

He'll be at the end of the finish line.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I'll be in Florida next week. If anyone wants to come visit me, I'll be in Tampa. What color is a Kenworth? It's white. Damn it. I'm thinking cherry red. That's crazy. He really racially profiled me. Nah.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what my Kenworth would be. I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01:

He racially profiled me. Nah. He he looked at where I was from, saw the color of my skin, and just thought red.

SPEAKER_05:

Just red. Just red. That's crazy. Well, thank you guys for staying tuned for another episode. This concludes the three-part series. I appreciate you guys for being on. David, thank you. It's been amazing to meet you. The legendary David David Alvarez. F underscore. F underscore. We love you guys. Much love. Peace. Peace.

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