Broke Boyz From Fresno
Hey everyone it's Martin from the Broke Boyz From Fresno Podcast, my goal here is to entertain, inspire, and uplift our community. I'm all about keeping it real, sharing my daily struggles, and motivating others who might be going through the same. Join me as we navigates life’s challenges, supports one another, and builds a stronger, more connected community together.
Broke Boyz From Fresno
From Fresno Streets to Finding Faith: Cin Say on 17 Years In and the Fight to Change
We trace Fresno roots, gang life, prison politics, and the long road back to purpose as Cin Say tells a raw story of survival, grief, ingenuity, and faith. The talk moves from riot smoke and lost years to boundaries, music, and a simple mandate: get up and keep going.
• Fresno culture, underground scene, and early influences
• Belonging, gang pull, and the weekend that changed everything
• Parole math and how numbers can own a life
• County lessons, racial lines, and non‑designated yards
• Level 2 to 180 yard, points, weapons, and survival choices
• Stabbed after marriage, retaliation pressure, and restraint
• Dehumanization, riots, suicides, and CO dynamics
• Prison ingenuity: tattoos, spreads, and making tools from scraps
• Grief for a mother, spirals, and choosing to live
• Cutting hard drugs, setting boundaries, and embracing emotion
• Faith, authenticity, and refusing the highlight‑reel trap
• Music as purpose, day‑one loyalty, and what’s next
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SPEAKER_04:We were there live at dog days with it. We were live. That motherfucker was like 20 bucks a pop, bro. And everybody had one.
SPEAKER_01:You were after the first one, you were like, ah, fuck it. It's just 20 bucks.
SPEAKER_02:I was looking at it like we'll get all over here.
SPEAKER_01:We're here for the good time.
SPEAKER_04:Exactly. It was worth it, though. It was worth it. It was, man, that was that was epic show. That was the show. Epic show.
SPEAKER_02:We're not gonna talk about the hundred dollar pizza though. That shit. I can't believe it. Pizza? Hundred bucks? Eight spices, a hundred dollars. What the man. Shout out Doc DJ. That was lit. That was lit. It was lit, though. Pay to play. Pay to play. That's right. Yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:Welcome back to another episode of Rogue Boys. I'm Martin. And today I got um a special guest. And I also have DJ on the other side. My bad. I didn't mean to cut you off. I thought you didn't introduce yourself, my fault. But we have a special guest, so today. Please introduce yourself, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Man, my name is Sin Say, Fresno, California. Cali Boys, Dulce Mochos, Cliff City. Yeah. Pleasure to have y'all here in the city.
SPEAKER_01:It's a pleasure to have you be a part of this, bro. This is gonna be big. This is gonna be epic. Yeah. So earlier, earlier we were talking about it. This is gonna be a very deep cut episode. So there's gonna be a disclaimer because I know that he definitely wants to dive deep into his story. Definitely. So this is for sure gonna be one that I know for a fact that it's gonna be inspirational and there's gonna be people reaching out. So with that being said, before we continue, let's go ahead and let's roll the intro.
SPEAKER_00:We done broke boys from the hook. We on the mission understood. Won't catch is lagging, we that good. We always winning like we should. We flyin' high, we butterfly up to the sky. No way you catching is good. Pray to God we make it alive.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, Sensei. Where would you like to start, bro? Start from You got an interesting background. Like, uh I definitely want to know, like, you born and raised here in Fresno, correct?
SPEAKER_04:Born and raised all over, really. I really lived all over. Right. I'm saying, you know, I was from my earliest memories, I grew up in the Villa Rosas on Lane. I went to Lane Elementary, like early kindergarten. Right. And then we moved to damn near Clovis. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And uh yeah, I went to, you know, Vinland Elementary, Tyoga Middle School, Hoover High School. You know, kicked out all of them that I just named. So then I went to Tillman, New Millennium, the Boys, you know, all the so here and there, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so what was it like growing up in the in the Central Valley?
SPEAKER_04:I feel like uh it was hella fun. Yeah. Like, you know, people talk about Fresno like, oh, it's the country or y'all don't have nothing. But I feel like if you know the right motherfuckers, it's a lot of shit to do. Like, it's a lot to do. Like, it's it's man, Fresno really be lit for real. Yeah. If you really got the underground, the under if you're part of the underworld. Yeah, right. Yeah, that shit lit for sure. It ain't just cows and chickens and shit. These motherfuckers be thinking that shit lit. Especially back then, mid-2000s, big ass pants and big ass shirts. Man, you know what I'm saying? Everybody off thizzles and just it was a whole different, wasn't really no phones, and yeah, it was lit, man. That shit was fun as hell.
SPEAKER_02:Would you say Fresno had its own like style back then?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, but I feel like we took from everybody and created our own, you know what I'm saying? You know, along the lines in life, I learned, you know, it's okay to you know following somebody's footsteps, just leave your own footprints. Right. You feel me? So I feel like that's what Fresno did. We took a little bit of everything and made our own little shit. And now to see what Fresno is, right? It's like, whoa, I remember I went through Fashion Fair, like, bro, this Fashion Fair? Yeah, it damn near look like something in a whole different city. So yeah, like what? It's nice. Right. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:So and then during that time, it was only Fashion Fair that was popping. There was no other huge shopping centers or none of that.
SPEAKER_04:You go to Manchester, but you go to Manchester, you want to be on some gangster shit with that bus stop. Everybody, any friends, no nigga know, bro. That the Manchester bus stop, man. Come on now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So yeah, growing up out here was fun as hell. It was fun as hell because I, you know, I was raised with a lot of cool motherfuckers, and I got to rub elbows with a lot of cool people, and I kept them motherfuckers in my life to this day. Anybody that knew me when I was young and I fucked with them, still fuck with me, and I still fuck with them to this day for sure.
SPEAKER_02:That's respect right there, man. That's respect. Yeah, man. You what's one of your earliest memories, like that you really like, if you could relive that moment back in those days?
SPEAKER_04:Man, okay. So, man, for one, man, racing picture, my cousin Anthony, man. His house, man, was like the it spot. Like that was the pot, that was the that was the pad right there. That was like where everybody wanted to go. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, moms owned the vending machine company, so it was snacks everywhere, video games in every room, computers in every room, just everybody's where everybody just came and just, you know, did whatever the fuck we wanted to do. Right. Hell yeah. You feel me? Like, and that shit was cool. And I was able to go because it's family. Like, oh, I'm gonna go to my auntie Pat's house, I'm gonna go to my cousin Anthony and Doug's house, you feel me? And I'm over there doing shit. Man. Just thinking about it, man. I know that when life was so simple. Yes, yes, you know what I mean. When niggas didn't have nothing to worry about, no responsibilities, didn't care about bathing, yeah, nothing. Just get up and go.
SPEAKER_02:Do what your heart felt.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's so crazy. Yeah, and you grew up in the era of like you didn't have cell phones, so it was just being outside the whole time.
SPEAKER_04:If you had a bicycle, if you had a bicycle, you was my big what? With the pegs on it? With the pegs on it. You and your partner got one bike with the pegs and a MySpace. With my space. We're in. We're in. I got in so much trouble with my top eights, man. Who was that number one on your top eight? Like, damn, they did that randomly. I don't know. Yeah, MySpace, man. I'll take it all the way back to Moco Space.
SPEAKER_02:Damn. Yeah. Bro, it's it's crazy thinking about those times, bro. Is there a specific year like you got in your head that you would just if you could relive that one year, what would it be?
SPEAKER_04:Probably freshman year high school. Because it was just like a just like a bigger, broad, like kind of we're in a school with four grades. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? It was different than and these motherfuckers is older, it's damn near adults on campus. Yeah, you feel me? These niggas walk around smoking cigarettes and shit. Like, it's a whole different shit, you know what I mean? Like, okay, yeah, so this was cool. Like, and then, you know, I was kind of like my best friend, a couple years older than me. He went to the same high school, so I was kind of already known off campus. Right. So when I get there, the love was like, it was just cool, man. Cause I don't really, I wasn't really popular in junior high and in elementary because I was hella bad. Like I was hella bad. So motherfuckers like, hell no, we ain't fucking with you, nigga. We're gonna get in trouble. Hell no.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so so you were the troublemaker.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, I was the troublemaker. I'm the type of kid, like, okay, I know for sure we play cops and robbers every day at recess. Yeah, so when I go home, I'm going to the store because my mom not playing, she's not buying me no guns to play with or nothing. So I'm finna book at the store. I'm gonna steal this cap gun because I'm gonna come back with the robber shit serious. I'm really taking this role seriously. Man, so I'm coming to school, they we're playing cops and robbers. I whip I was I took the orange tip off the gun. It was crazy. First grade, first grade villain that I met you was crazy. Yeah, I took cops and robbers to a different level, brought props. But hey, back then, my mom had to teach you sweating and clean. They brought my mom, man. Look, they brought my mom. My mom act like I was a real gun when they brought her to the office. Oh shit. What she looked at me like, where the fuck you get this? She wasn't playing, not even nothing. If it's a gun, I don't care if it looks like a shoe. If it shoots you, you're not having it.
unknown:You're not having it.
SPEAKER_02:It's bad. That's crazy, brother. That's crazy. Would you say um if there was anything about your younger self that you would change? Like, do you wish you you could have grew up a different way or like would have acted a little bit differently back then? Or you feel like that character is who you were supposed to be?
SPEAKER_04:I mean, I feel like this is who I'm supposed to be, but I feel like I would have not chose like the gang life. Okay. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because I was raised in the house really with all girls. Right. I'm the only boy, and I'm the baby. Damn. So the only dudes, besides, you know, like my day ones, is the thugs outside. Right. You know, like I said, I'm raised in all these different communities, you know, and I was the most attracted to the west side. And you know, the west side is treacherous. Yeah, treacherous. But being so secluded from it, I think once I got a taste of it, you know, it's kind of like, oh, yeah, yeah. That's what I've been missing. Yeah, yeah. You know, it was like crack. I just wanted to be, you know, accepted for one. Yeah. You know what I mean? Loved for two. Right. You know, it's like, damn.
SPEAKER_02:It's the brotherhood of it all, too. Like you said, being raised around nothing but girls.
SPEAKER_04:It's like you and they was been they treated you. Y'all gonna be seeing this, bro. Y'all know. Y'all know cousins. I ain't even gonna say y'all names, but y'all know what y'all used to do to me, bro. That's fucked up. That's fucked up, man. But shit, you know, it all molded me to who I am. I love them to death, and uh, yeah, if I could change anything, it'll probably be nothing, man. Okay, disrespectful except for them individuals, you know what I'm saying, who I locked in with, but I love them too, so you know, I probably wouldn't change nothing, you know what I'm saying? Because they taught me a lot too.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, they taught me what not to do and what to do. Right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? Just the blessing of it all, bro. Yeah, I learned from that shit, you know, just you know. They say the smartest man in the room might be the one that made the most mistakes. Because they say you learn from every mistake, right? Right. I mean, she doesn't learn a lot. So I'll go ahead, my bad.
SPEAKER_01:No, I know you go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:So I was gonna, so obviously, with the behaviors of yourself being younger, being the troublemaker, being the one in the streets and dealing with the gang life and stuff like that. How did you end up getting into prison? Let's dive into that. Like, so what led up to that?
SPEAKER_04:Okay, 2007, November 11th, 2007. Me and two co-defenders. I ain't gonna lie, the whole weekend we was really tripping. I'm talking about weed robbing stores for alcohol, we were robbing dudes for weed. We're we just tripping all weekend for real. So I kind of knew in the back of my head, like, bro, this is not gonna end well. So, long story short, we end up robbing somebody in a high-profile car and in traffic right after. So they pull up on us on Cedar and Shaw Wendy's. One of my Cody fenders play basketball for Fresno State. News cameras are immediately there. Yes, right. You know, so here I am, 18 years old, once 24, once 27. We have a strong armed robbery. We done beat somebody up and stole from them, basically. Right. So there's a girl with us. The girl ends up coming, telling this, that, and the third set. Now, like I said, the dude that I'm with, he played basketball for no state. Yeah, brother signed with E40, all type of shit. He's finna go play with the Clippers. So I'm like, you know what? I'm the youngest dude on the case. I ain't never really been in trouble as an adult. I just turned 18 about a month ago. So I'm like, you know what, bro, go to the league. I'm gonna go do what I gotta do. You feel me? Like, it's good. But they ended up pulling his scholarship, and he ended up, you know, it was bad for him. I fucked his life up. I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry, bro. But you know what it was fucking with me. You feel me, at that time. Um so yeah, I took a deal for uh two years in prison, and one thing about it, bro, it's like it's easy to be on parole. It's hella easy to be on parole. Like they don't test for we don't like it's easy to be on parole, but it's hard as fuck to get off. You know what I'm saying? Like, I literally been having this number since 2008. That's half of my life, bro. I'm born in 1989, bro. You feel me? So for 17 years, I gave that prison my life, man. Right. They had me, you know? I ain't been out for longer than seven months since 2007, bro.
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SPEAKER_02:With that being said, bro, it had to be a culture shock, like getting out and seeing a difference in society, bro. Did you I mean, did you see anything like that in prison? Like, were you able to like get a little bit of a heads up before you went out into the well see?
SPEAKER_04:You know, I was always kind of tapped in, you feel me? Right, right, right, right. You know what I'm saying? I was always kind of like, you know what I mean, like always online, always, you know what I'm saying, tapped in, phone calls, woo-doo woo, whatever. So it wasn't really nothing like too bad. Right. So you knew what to expect. Yeah, I kind of knew what was going on. Like, I knew how the fashion changed because I left in 2007. You know, I got arrested in a 4X tall tea and like probably some size 38 jeans. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Like on a wing with it, rock with it.
SPEAKER_04:And I probably weighed 140. I'm off ecstasy powder and everything else that motherfuckers got for me in this time. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, like, but you know, I was able to stay tapped in, you know, with my folks and you know, video chatting and just you know, visits, you know, and yeah, I was able to see so it wasn't really a culture shock. Me seeing it from in there was more like, damn, this kind of look like the 80s. Now everybody got foreign and designer clothes, and you watch pay the full. It's like scrolling through Instagram. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:So did you ever did you so did you ever get FOMO being in there? Like feeling left out?
SPEAKER_04:Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Like this motherfuckers accept my car when it was free. Type shit. You feel me? Right, right. That's hard.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? So getting into the lifestyle that you were talking about gang and that transition, because gang politics is completely different from prison politics. So, how was that navigating through that in the first stages, like the first few months? Because you go to county, and I'm pretty sure county people are trying to like give you the rundown, right?
SPEAKER_04:Right, right. So, yeah, that's when, see, the era that I was raised in, the older guys will pull you up under your wing, up under their wing and be like, hey, look, somebody rush you up in that cell, fight to get out. Right. You know what I'm saying? They'll sit up there and tell you this, then the third, and then don't don't run up no debts. Don't do, you know what I'm saying? You know, don't do this, don't do that, do this, do that, you know, like act like you want to go home. And for a long time I didn't act like that. But um, like the worst part about me going to prison and having to adapt is you know, I'm half Hispanic. So having that racial division.
SPEAKER_05:You gotta pick. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04:Like it was all, I was already picked, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I'm I'm I'm black to them. You know what I'm saying? So, but I'm Mexican too, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I, you know, my name is Vicente, like, you know what I mean? Like, so this, it's so it's like, what the fuck? Yeah, like, and but and it's crazy because like it's certain Hispanics that will fuck with me because of my name, you know what I'm saying, my last name, you know what I'm saying, my character, but at the same time, it's like, damn, I can't even really copy with you like my partner because all eyes on us. Yeah, they see me talking to this mask, and like, well, you don't be talking to him, what he got going on? You know, they got a little bit of deep structure in there, you know what I'm saying? The politics is deep in there for the you know, the Hispanics, so they can't just be sitting there chopping it up. Right, you know, like what y'all talking about? Right. You know what I'm saying? So I, you know, I would hate for your motherfucker to get crossed up just because we're friends. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, you know, that was kind of fucked up. But as time progressed, prison changed. Prison changed. Like, it ain't it ain't what it used to be, and it's a little more easier, it's a lot more cooler, and it's it's that they're letting a lot of motherfuckers go.
SPEAKER_02:You feel me? So you feel like the politics of how it used to be when you first got into when you just got out, like what's what's some of the critical things that changed over it? Was it was a lot of it that the racial portion of it?
SPEAKER_01:Or was it the rules? Because I know there's a lot of unspoken rules that you guys gotta follow.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, there's a lot of unspoken rules. There's a lot of like it's so fucked, man, bro. They fucking the game up in there because now they're like forcing people to go to these 50-50 orcs, which is, you know, but they call it non-designated. So this is not GP, this is not S and Y, this is you know what I'm saying, this is just like the streets. That's basically what they're saying. Well, there's not, there's no division on the streets. So y'all, y'all, that's where it is, y'all trying to go, right? So I gotta go where this child molester is or this snitches and program because I want to go home a little earlier, or because I have lower points. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's fucked up. Like that's fucked up. So I y'all, y'all damn near force me. If not, I gotta go over there and I gotta handle my business so my points can go up and I go to a higher, uh, more maximum security prison. Right. To where these motherfuckers are not at. And now I just got a couple months to do. Damn. You feel me? It's like, God, so they they really fucking it up. So the rules on the inside change too. Like, you know, uh uh, once upon a time, you couldn't do anything with another race. Now, you know, people are playing sports, and you know, and it's a beautiful thing though to see that if we can all come together because it's more of us than them. Right, you know what I'm saying? And like, you know, but all them COs ain't fucked up people. Some of them cool as a motherfucker, like some cool as a motherfucker, but some of them, yeah. Prison was a fucked up place, man.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's a huge thing too, is the CEOs. Like a lot of people don't talk about the CEOs that's in there that be playing a part with it, right? Right. I'm not gonna say too much on that part, but it's just crazy because a lot of people just think, like, oh, CEOs, they just do, they go in there, they do their job. Like it's they're trying to make sure the safety of the prisoners, nah, brother, it's it's so much deeper than that. Um, I mean, I knew people who were CEOs and they would tell me the insights of the stories. I got homies who's getting ready to be COs, and I'm just like, damn, bro, I you gotta wash your own ass even when you get outside of work, and that's the saddest part, too. When you get into that kind of lifestyle, it's not something to play with, bro. Everything.
SPEAKER_04:I used to tell the motherfuckers that come in here like on that macho shit, like, bro, act like you want to go home, bro. Yeah, yeah. But act like you want to go home because there's some motherfuckers in here who do not give a fuck about you making it on, bro. Exactly. And I done seen some, man, I done seen some shit. And and the worst part about it is it's like it dehumanizes you. And I say that to say, like, we all sitting right here, right? Say say it was a fourth individual right here in front of us, right? And you know, we just chopping it up, you know what I'm saying? Or we got whoever with us, you know what I'm saying? Right, and someone just comes up and starts stabbing this nigga to death right here in front of us. We probably gonna hold on, try to get up out of here. Right, you have to just act like nothing's happening. You can have absolutely no reaction, right? Because that's potentially dry snitching. Oh, you didn't, you you making a scene. Right, your reaction is everything, it's very, very sensitive. Like, and it's like, bro, what the fuck? So it's like, bro, imagine seeing that over and over and over and over and over again. You just you know, because most of my time was on a maximum security prison, a level four 180. Right, you know, and it's like fuck like bro, what the fuck? Where am I?
SPEAKER_01:And what got you to that level four?
SPEAKER_04:So okay, I started off level two. My first time going, I started off level two, boom. I came back uh on a violation and I got in a little fight. I was right by level three. I got into a little fight. Boom. Ended up getting moved to level three, old fossil. Motherfuckers in there. Wild when it's a level three, niggas tripping, niggas turnt up, niggas getting high, niggas, niggas having a good time. Motherfuckers is jailing in there. Right. I was in a building, you know what I'm saying? One building that, yeah, that motherfucker, they call that shit the projects, like motherfuckers in there tripping, and it's five tiers. I don't know if y'all ever seen San Quentin or you know, those types of jails where it's bars. It's really old school. Old folks was the first prison in California, it's built in the 1800s. Right. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, it's like really, really old. Nothing's electronic, everything's like you gotta roll it, like, you know what I'm saying? So it's like when you think of prison, like, damn, it's the joint. Like when I first got the oh, this the joint. Like, oh, yeah, it's prison. Like, I just knew they was gonna give me a black and white striped suit. Like, you feel me? I just knew, you know, like, so yeah, so I get there and um I'm half-ass fucking up a little bit. I got an OG Punny. He like, look, man, you keep getting these points, bro. You're gonna end up getting hit into that faux yard. So I'm fighting, I'm fighting, I'm fighting. It's starting to get a little greasy for me. You know, you know, one thing about prison, motherfuckers just walk around with it on him.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:I'm not, I I don't I never wanted to be a victim. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, I I I never like I didn't want to die in prison, but at the end of the day, it's like, bro, I don't want to catch life in here because I'm not gonna like you know what I'm saying? Like if it's gonna be me or you, it gotta be you because it can't be me, bro. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, so that was fucked up. Like, so you know, I'm walking around with it on me, I get caught with it. Yeah. Now that immediately sends me to the shoe. That immediately kicks my points up 25 points and it sends me to level 4180. Now, once I'm there, I'm stuck because it's a lot of motherfucking bullshit going on. Just a lot of bullshit. Motherfuckers have got nothing else to do but see something going on. And I'm a nigga that like to be in the mix. I like, you know, I got a good personality. I like popping it with motherfuckers, you know. I think I'm the flyest nigga on two feet. I'm 23 years old at this time. You know what I'm saying? So niggas couldn't tell me nothing. I'm trying to holler at all the females. Um they couldn't tell me shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, so it was a whole different sort. And I was high-headed, I was always wanted to fight. You know, I had like the skinny nigga complex, the pretty boy complex, like, you know what I'm saying? So I stayed there. I ended up nigga paroling with 180 points. Damn. And I came with 26. Mike Tyson in the yard, bro. Yeah. God damn. Like whooping shit because motherfuckers see me like, oh, they've got an easy win. But on my mama bread, it ain't na nigga. It ain't na nigga that say he can whip me by himself. Because any nigga that with me had his hill. Nigga.
SPEAKER_02:It takes a lot of respect to be able to hold that kind of title, bro. And especially being in the penitentiary. It's one thing if you encounter 17 years.
SPEAKER_04:Yes. 17 years, bro. 17 years, right? Uh, bro. But at the same time, I choose my battles wisely. Right, yeah. But I'm not gonna fight the biggest nigga on the yard for no reason. Right, right. But you really got a trip on. Right. We really if we can try to talk it out. If we can phone some players, if we can't, like, come on, big, come on, big dog. You know what I'm saying? What up? Oh, like, come on, man. Like, that's what I'm saying. You really want to get this right up?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, come on, bro.
SPEAKER_04:They're gonna try, you feel me?
SPEAKER_01:Look at it and I'm like, walk away. Just letting you know why. But that must have come with so many experiences. What are some of the worst experiences that you had a witness during that whole process?
SPEAKER_04:The worst, worst, worst experiences. Three days after I got married, I got stabbed. You feel me? And it was on some bullshit, and it was by a nigga from my town, from my neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? Like, but I think it was like a bluff tactic, you know what I'm saying? When he pulled that motherfucker out, I the look in his eyes, it was like, run, nigga. Okay, nigga. Okay, nigga. I done been in this motherfucker five years, nigga. These niggas know I'm not about to run from you. Cause we on the yard in front of everybody, nigga. So I fight him and his night. So he hit me once in the back of my neck, twice in my back, and once in my underarm. And the fucked up part is like I've been there, like I said, five years. And it's this certain CO that's been my building cop the whole time. You know what I'm saying? Like, he cool as a motherfucker, a little young nigga cool as a motherfucker. So he this nigga that riding the ambulance with me and he in the back seat crying. Like, you gonna be alright, bro? Like, bro, because like my body when it should I'm hyperventilating, I'm crying too, nigga. Like, nigga, oh just like just naturally, just hyperventilate like my body, like nigga, I'm leaking, you know what I'm saying? I'm stiff as fuck. Like, what the fuck? I get to the I get to the hospital. They like, yeah, man, half an inch deeper, you'd have been paralyzed. I'm like, oh yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_02:Damn.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, so you know, signed the criminals to get back to the yard, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm trying to catch them. But you know, it didn't work like that. Guy had a different plan for me, he moved me somewhere else. You know what I'm saying? But yeah.
SPEAKER_02:He knew if you had the opportunity to get back, you was gonna get back. Yeah, for sure. For sure, for sure.
SPEAKER_01:So the politics would one of the heads that are running, would they would tell you, like, get your leg back, huh?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, for no, no, but then it it's like a it's like an unsaid thing. It's like if you don't, it makes you look bad. Right. Like if you come on, bruh, like you just let that happen, and these niggas he right there, right? He right there, bro. You you shaking hands and niggas just tried to kill you, boy. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, nigga tried to kill me, man. You feel me? On the right of that, you know what I'm saying, or the lock up order when they put me to the hall, they say on X amount of that on this date, nigga, you were the victim of an attempted homicide. Y'all seen that shit on paper, bruh? That shit alone hurt a nigga feelings. Like, I'm a victim of what? By who?
SPEAKER_02:Me? And it's crazy also being surrounded around like a lot of crash outs that just want to see you do more time. They ain't got nothing to live for, so they like, yeah, I'm gonna get this nigga in trouble.
SPEAKER_04:But they glorify ignorance. Yeah, and I and I learned that, bro. I went four years with no write-ups, no nothing, just trying to be cool because they was doing you know overrides or whatever. So I went four years, no write-ups. I get into a, I'm talking about this niggas who I've been there with this whole time, never said a word to me. I get in one fight. The next time I see him, oh, what's up with my boy? Oh man, I see you do your thing. Oh, I ooh, bro. Come on, my nigga. You see me every day. Right. You ain't said nothing to me for four years. You see me beat a nigga up now. I'm your partner.
SPEAKER_02:Like, come on, bro. You think it was a fear thing?
SPEAKER_04:Nah. I will, I don't know. I don't think it's a fear thing. I think it's like niggas just be trying to be too cool. I brought, come on, my nigga, bro. You how old are you? Still trying to make friends?
SPEAKER_02:Man. You feel me? Like, come on, bruh. You know what's even crazier about that all is like people trying to make friends in the yard, right? Yeah. So that way they had a circle to run with because they knew they wasn't gonna survive that motherfucker by themselves. For sure.
SPEAKER_04:And I'm the nigga, bro. All my friends that I have to this day, like I said, bro, I've had since I was a kid. Right. I don't need no fucking new friends, I got enough. Right. You feel me? Like, niggas, like, I don't really, I don't even consider them my friends. It's been so long. These niggas is family members at this point.
SPEAKER_02:You feel me? So when you went in, you kind of already, you already had your folks there. Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER_04:Like, and I was tapped in with all my niggas, like all my niggas. All my niggas for sure tapped in. Like, what's up? And I'm not no nigga that's gonna call all the time. Yeah, like I'm not gonna call no nigga for nothing. Right. Like, unless I really need him. Right. And then you and they know that too. So they know if I call, like, oh, he really needs this, so they make it happen for me. Right. Because at the end of the day, like, you know, no disrespect to nobody, but you know, as long as I got a bitch, I'm not gonna need nothing. So my niggas know, like, and they know that. Like, they like, you know what I'm saying? Like, y'all been knowing me my whole life. It's been the same from the same nigga. Right. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, so they they fuck through the nigga, you know what I'm saying? Like, shout out to all my niggas that fuck through the nigga when I was down for real. My nigga, it's up from here for sure.
SPEAKER_02:So on that topic, you feel like there's anything that you shut it off after you got out that you was just like, nah, I can't be doing that shit.
SPEAKER_04:Hard drugs. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was a nigga who You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm loaded. What y'all niggas say? What y'all on, bro? Let me hit that shit. Let me hit that shit, man. I'm talking about weed, pills, shrooms, acid, nigga. What we doing? What the fuck is that? Let me try that shit. Right. You feel me? Like the lowest nigga, the highest. Right, right. But coming out here like niggas dying, bruh, for getting high, bro. I keep I want to keep getting high, but I don't want to die.
SPEAKER_02:That's the scariest part, bro, is seeing the difference in the drug scene from back then till now. This is a whole lot different, bro. I mean, obviously, when fitting all in the streets and shit like that, hills getting pressed.
SPEAKER_04:I mean, obviously, it's always been around, but it's just yeah, and another thing that you know I'm saying, like overextending myself, like overextending my love to everybody. Like everybody ain't worth that. You feel me? Like, that's probably like you know what I'm saying, like I got I gotta stop doing that. Like, right, I'm trying to love everybody. Yes, you feel me? And that just comes from like being an emotional nigga, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, and I think that comes from being raised with all them women, right? You know what I'm saying? I mean, ain't no bitch in me. Right, but you know, it it I was learned to show emotions. I'm learning it's okay to cry. I'm learning, you know what I'm saying? Like, you feel me? Like, nigga, I don't know tough ass nigga. You feel me? Like, bro, I'm not no tough nigga.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_04:You feel me? Yeah, it's okay to be vulnerable. Yeah, like it's it's perfectly okay, and that's why I wanted to do this with y'all. Yeah, you feel me? So nigga show, like motherfuckers that know me, they know, but like that nigga hard. That's real.
SPEAKER_02:We appreciate you coming on here and at least being able to show that emotion, bro. A lot of people are too prideful. Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So was there any a given point where you sat there locked up, you know, and thinking like in your mental state of like I don't when am I ever gonna get out of this? Am I ever gonna get out of this?
SPEAKER_04:Or am I stuck here? Okay, so I I got caught with that knife. I originally came with eight years. I know where I'm walking to. So I'm like, God damn. So I hear that shit. Oh I tear the counselor building up. Like the office, I mean I grab the phone, throw it against the wall, I'm tripping, I'm blase blah. I say some disrespectful shit to the females over the tower. I just like I'm on at this point. I don't give a fuck what y'all talking about. Like, whatever. Go back to the cell, I'm getting ready to kill my celly. Like, like man, this is that was tough. And then it's like, so my sister come see me. Now nobody knew I caught that extra time. I didn't tell nobody because it was embarrassing. So no one knew I had caught that time. So my sister came to see me and she's like, So what's up with this 2024 date? I'm like, uh she's like, yeah. She's like, I tried to get you to the funeral, but they said you had too much time left to do. And uh what it would so I couldn't even see my mama at the funeral or nothing, but uh and it was so fucked up because the last time my mama came to visit me, it was a bitch ass CO in here, and I was trying to take a picture with my mama. And uh he was like, nah, we ain't doing no pictures right now, you're too late. I'm like, look. And then I could see it eating at her. She's in a wheelchair, and like, but come on, she fucking be able to make it back up here. Like, can I get an exception? He like hell nah. It's bad, like, you know, tell her to come back tomorrow. I'm like, alright. Like, it's crazy how God worked. You know, I d you people say it's God, people say it was the devil, whoever it was, somebody did something, because three days later, boy, they was stabbing the fuck out that COM, but right then I was like, bro, I'll fuck around and catch life in this motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Like that was 2015. Like that was a crazy, crazy, crazy experience. Like, I didn't know what to do in like this the way it impacted impacted my son. Like, you know, that was my mom's only grandchild that she knew of in that moment. You feel me? Like, that shit told him up. Like, what the fuck? That shit was wild, man. But yeah, I I I just felt like why I mean at that time, but now I know why.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's crazy. That dude that shoulder checked you in there was almost like a mirror of where you were gonna be. You know what I'm saying? Ready to crash out, ready to just go. Like what's crazy you say that I never even looked at it like that. Like thinking about the foreshadow of the moment, bro. I ought to be on the same timer.
SPEAKER_04:Like, I ain't got nothing else to lose, but like I know where I'm going because I just got off the phone with my sister, so the fact that she's calling me back, right? It can't be no good news, right?
SPEAKER_02:It just can't be, you know what I'm saying? But it's just wild, bro. And then the the the fact of the matter with the CO too, it's like wild. It's crazy to hear that, man. And my condolences to that, man. It's um it's hard keeping your sanity, bro, especially when you're constantly day by day being tested by people who ain't got shit to lose that want to see you in there just as long as they are. Uh and being surrounded by just full of negativity. Negativity, bro. You got one inch of positivity in you, and motherfuckers is trying to take it.
SPEAKER_04:Bro, they usually try to get on me because how I used to dress. Man, one time I sell the came in, like, bro, you gotta dim your light. I'm like, what the fuck does that even mean? Like, what does that even mean? They like, yeah, they out there talking about you like it's not a bad thing, but they like, bro, where the fuck do you think you at?
SPEAKER_02:But I mean, at the same time, it's just like that's who you was, you know what I'm saying? They try and fit you in, like, hey, no, you gotta be just like us. And it's crazy because nigga, that's like you said, dehumanizing. Yeah, like you gotta fit in sort, a sort a certain style, you gotta act a certain way, you gotta follow these unset rules and and fall in line with some shit. And it's like, nigga, who really wanna be in there? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And I think it's just I think it's hard because I feel like a lot of people who have done time don't really get the time to like speak their voice on what they went through and tell their story and stuff. So it's been a great time being able to allow you to be on here and hearing your story, brother, because it's deep. Yeah, it's deep.
SPEAKER_04:It's it gets deeper. Yeah, you feel me? Like, it's some shit, man. That's it's a fucked up place, bro. Like that shit, like luckily, I'm not too institutionalized, but like in certain ways I am. Like, I like to sleep on the edge of the bed because I'm so used to sleeping in the twin. Right. And like I don't roll around in the bed, I just you know be on my back, on my side. Right. I'm so used to just switching positions and shit like that. So that's like a part of like, like, fuck, I hope I could break this. I like to roll around the bed or something. It's a big ass bed. Let me roll around this motherfucker, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, look, I just tried my because I seen so many people, you know, suicide. I done seen people kill their celllies. I done, you know, been in the cell, my celly done killed his self. Like, you know, you know, imagine nigga wake up with a motherfucker that you've been in the cell with. And it's like, bro, you get close to your celllies. If you get it like a cool celly, but it's a nigga, you with 24 hours a day. This nigga know your mama name, your cat name, the first street you ever lived on. He knows everything. He damn near know more about you than your bitch. Like, you feel me? Because you with this nigga every day, like all day. Like, so like, so imagine like nigga waking up, bro, and it's like everyday program, you know, every niggas wake up, you're like, what's up, bro? Top of the money, man. Woody woody wood, you know, put the coffee on, whatever it is y'all do, bruh. And like nigga just not getting out the bed. And like, okay, he probably just you know sleeping a few extra minutes, but it's like, damn, bro, it's what time is it? Like, and he ain't moved. Damn. Like, hold on, man. And then it's like, bro, you you you you let the COs know, like, hey, look, man, you know something wrong. They think you killed the nigga. You know, now I'm like, God damn it, you don't put me in hole. So it's like, fuck, it was fucked up. I just had to go to school, let them catch me, let them find them. You know what I'm saying? It was fucked up, but shit. Y'all went finna put me in a hole. Somebody did though. You know what I mean? But it's fucked up because I was my boy, and I knew what he was going through. I knew what he was going through. And you know, it got it got the best of you. You know what I'm saying? It's fucked up. I done seen motherfuckers come back from visits, jump, jump right off the tier, face first. Damn. Like, I done seen some many shit, bruh. Some many shit, my nigga. You feel me? Racial rights. It's like they don't fight my people. You got me fighting these maskings. Yeah. Like, bruh, like I'm masking too. Like, what the fuck is we doing, bruh? And it gets real, like knives. You look around and you see 500 people fighting. Nigga, what the fuck? 500 motherfuckers fighting, this shit lasting 10 minutes, nigga. 10 seconds is a long fight. Imagine fighting for your life with 500 motherfuckers, nigga, for 10 minutes, nigga. And there's bombs and shit going off. But this shit like World War III. Right. There's bombs going off, it's smoke everywhere, it's pepper spray, it's bodies falling, it's people screaming, this nigga's getting stabbed, this nigga's hiding. The CO's running. The whole card. But it's like, what the fuck? And I'm sitting here in the middle of this shit, like, bro, what the fuck did I get myself into? That, but that's the you know, I didn't read the fine print.
SPEAKER_02:My nigga was really in the gulag with it.
SPEAKER_04:You feel me? Like, like, bro, like I didn't read the fine print of life, bro. Like, I didn't read, like, okay, if you go out there with the niggas, this is possible that it's gonna happen. Right, yeah. You feel me? Like, yeah, that shit look cute as a motherfucker, but that's just it's a couple, it's a couple niggas that's supposed to be right there that's in jail right now that they not even talking about because they didn't talk about me.
SPEAKER_02:And I think it's the seriousness of it all too, being younger. Like, did you have anybody any OGs or any older heads that was telling you, like, hey bruh, this is where you're gonna lead to? You better guide you.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like get out of that shit, get out of that shit. Yeah, but then I also have motherfuckers glorifying it too. Yeah, so it's kind of like, oh, it's kind of like Satan over here, angel over here. Like, who do I go with? Who do I go with? Like, damn, this nigga telling me how glamorous is glamorous this this shit is this nigga like bro, this shit not gonna lead to nothing. Like, who do I believe? Right, so I decided fuck it, I'm gonna see for myself. Right, mm-hmm, right, right. You feel me? And and and I wish I never would have. I wish I just listened to one of them niggas. Yeah, you feel me? I wish I listened to one of them niggas, man. Uh yeah, man. But you know, like I said, all that shit molded me to what the fuck I am today, man. Yeah, you know, I wouldn't say it's nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I see you got a lot of tattoos, so a lot of them where they you got them in there?
SPEAKER_04:Every single one except for my Kelly boys. Like every single tattoo you see, bro. I got in prison, bro, except for my Kelly boys. And that shit hurts. Because in there it's either a guitar string, uh the spring out of a clicking pin. Uh you feel me? When you get the spring, you put a flame on that bitch, you pull it apart, it's gonna straighten up. It's gonna straighten. It's like forge and fire type shit. Like that shit get hot enough, this the shit straightens up and you sharpen that bitch, and it's like it takes so long because out here, you know, they got five needle outlines, seven needle shades, right? There's a thin ass needle, so they redline it so they can wipe it, and then they go over it. So you sitting there, nigga, something that'll take five minutes, nigga, on the streets, nigga, taking four hours in prison. Right. Like, you feel me?
SPEAKER_02:So you did you get any like stick and poke tattoos, or was it just that outline you was talking about?
SPEAKER_04:Oh, I got sticking poke, too. Okay, right. And I got big shit. I got the big ass seven right here. I got the L B, I got the M O B before the I niggas, before the mob niggas. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, bro, I got hella shit picked because in the county jail, nigga fighting this case, that's all you gonna get is your shit picked. Or you ain't gonna get shit.
unknown:Damn.
SPEAKER_04:You feel me? That shit, what shit hurts. Hurts. The shit on my I got the sensor on my face picked with a sharpened staple and uh what was it, burnt chest pieces? You feel me? Like shit, bro. And you know what's crazy, bro? It's what I'm just about to tell you, bro. It's geniuses in prison, bruh. Yeah, like the shit, yeah, bro. Like the shit niggas come up with in that motherfucker, like, bro. How did you know that this shit was gonna work like this, bruh? Like, how did you know that, bruh? Like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01:Like, you get so fucking creative in there, too. You be like, bro, it's time, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like bro, like and I ain't gonna lie, like, nigga just think of so much shit. Nigga just think of so much shit. Like, bro, but I it's some shit, bro. I'm like, bro, who the fuck thought of this? Like, how did he know that?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, like he's so smart. How did he get to prison, bro? I got a question. Prison spread, bro. Do you find yourself still eating prison spread outside of I don't mind the spread, bro?
SPEAKER_04:Okay, but it's funny because like when I was in the prison, like, bro, I didn't I didn't really eat spreads like that. Like, nigga, it's really niggas in gonna eat gourmet shit. Yeah, like I had a celly, and that nigga had like a whole menu, and he was making cheesecakes and pizzas and nigga, motherfucking bro, meatloafs and tacos and burritos.
SPEAKER_01:To be able to get most of the stuff from the kitchen, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:And then what you know, you get packages, you know, they have certain people, you have certain people on certain diets, they get like fresh vegetables, you know, catch them out, let me get them and so on. It's motherfuckers, you know, they take the hot plates about that about that coffee pot, put it up under that bunk, or put it up under that whatever, and that's a grill. We in there grilling, and you know, like man, motherfuckers making taffy.
SPEAKER_02:It's like what the fuck? It's like I'm telling you, it's like a whole little underworld, man. Niggas really making chemists out there. They was really cooking shit up, bro.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, like niggas really like, bro, how the fuck did y'all know this was gonna work? Is what I want to know. Motherfuckers making pasola, yeah, you know, they boiling corn nuts to make harmony. How did you know that, bro? That's crazy. Like, bro, how did it really look like harmony though? Like, bro, how did you know that, bro?
SPEAKER_02:Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, for reals? Yeah, man. Is there one thing that you did in prison that you took back home with you that you still do to this day? Just one thing. I mean, I know we talked about earlier about certain things that you just don't share with habits, but like something creative that you found in prison that you took back home with you.
SPEAKER_04:Like improvision, like the way I improvise.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_04:Like, okay, so when I was in prison, like sometimes I have coffee grounds, right? You know what I'm saying? Right. So I would put it in a sheet, a piece of a sheet, and like basically make like a coffee bag, like a tea bag. You know what I'm saying? So one time, you know, one of my partners was like, I mean, I ain't got no coffee filters. I don't know how I said, bro, cut a piece of a sheet. Yep. You feel me? So little shit like that, like, you know what I mean? Like just little shit, me having to use, utilize whatever I had. Like, that's one thing that, like, bro, I will fucking nigga my fucking bumper is tied up with a plastic bag right now. You feel me? My nigga said, if it's a world, there's a way. Yeah, man, yeah. Motherfucker gotta improvise with that because a motherfucker's limited. Niggas is chopping up meat and vegetables with ID cards or breaking CDs to make like that shit, man. Niggas, man, you gotta make do what you got, man. That's real. That's real.
SPEAKER_01:So throughout this whole episode, we got to know who you are. We got to know the whole thing. What's a message that you want to give out to the people that are listening? Maybe that experience this, or maybe even the younger generation.
SPEAKER_04:Bro, never give up on yourself and never give up on God. You feel me? Because God not never gonna give up on you, bro. Like, like, bro, I pray for this type of shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? I pray for everything, every single thing that I got going on right now, bro. I pray for that shit in the cell. You feel me? Like, literally. Like, I be I used to talk to my nephew every day on the phone. Yeah, I'm finna do this when I get up, bro. Like, watch, just watch, bruh. Watch, bro, watch. God gonna give me a way to tell my story. Next thing I know, we link. You feel me? Hey, bro, I'm gonna get out, I'm gonna do this. We're doing it. Like, shit's happening because I I asked for it, I prayed for it. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I will I will say, I will confirm that the first very first time that I met Sensei Sensei was just like, God literally sent me to y'all. For sure. Oh no, for a fact. I remember that for sure, for sure. And like from then I was just like, no, we would definitely do it. Because I hope that this inspires other people to come out and to talk about their stories because uh there's a there's only a fraction that we're able to talk about, but you have so much you've spent 17 years.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, now you know, just you know, just to set it straight, it wasn't 17 straight. You know, I did two, two, and then you got out for about three months, boom, then I did 12, you know what I'm saying? Got out for seven months, then I just went and did two. You know what I'm saying? Because I got caught a little gun and shit. I and I hated like that because it made me seem like I'm a fuck up or whatever, but younger wise, I was a fuck up. Last time I went to jail, I got caught with a pistol. You know, it I just, you know, it was for defense. I wasn't riding around robbing niggas trying to shoot nobody. I just didn't want nobody doing nothing to me. That's it, that's all, bro. Like, I'm a different nigga, I'm gonna change nigga. Because prison changed me, God changed me, like just my experiences and everything that I've been through. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, like, find yourself, bro. Like, find yourself. I don't give a fuck what you think the world wants you to be, what you think Instagram wants you to be, what you think you like motherfuckers is posting this because they up today. Oh, what about tomorrow when you down? You ain't post that. You ain't post when you was down tomorrow when that little money that you, you know what I'm saying, posted and around now, you ain't post that shit. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? Like, real like fuck all that shit. Like, bro, be you, bro, be authentic, and that shit gonna pay off, my nigga. You know what I'm saying? Like a faith of a muscle seat to move the mountain, you know what I'm saying? But a mountain can't move me. You feel me?
SPEAKER_01:Nah.
SPEAKER_04:Like, yeah, man.
SPEAKER_01:Like, so when people hear your story, what's one thing that you want them to walk away with?
SPEAKER_04:Just that like, it's okay to fail, bruh. It's okay to fall. It's okay, you know what I'm saying? Like, just get up, nigga. Dust yourself up, bruh. Get the fuck up, nigga. Cause I fail, you know what I'm saying? Nigga, I fail and I fail and I fail and I fail, bro. I supposed to come home, nigga. Valentine's Day, 2016. I came home August 17, 2022. Cause I kept falling, I kept falling, I kept falling, but I kept getting up, so I made it. But I got out of this bush and cause I was playing. I was playing, you know, I said what I was gonna do. I said and I didn't do it. I was playing. Nigga ain't playing no more. And everything is coming to me just naturally. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just coming to me. Y'all came to me naturally, like we vibe naturally. You feel me? The crazy part is like I locked in this location, you know what I'm saying? Boom, you hit me. I'm like, what the fuck? Yeah, like this crazy. Like everything's just happening for a reason, and it's like it's the perfect timing, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04:It's the perfect timing, bro, for real.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, it is, and it's definitely worth it, man.
SPEAKER_02:It's crazy seeing how natural things blend together. I mean, the situation of meeting Keesy was natural too. It wasn't nothing for us.
SPEAKER_04:KC was just like, man, shout out to Keesy too, man. Let me tell y'all something about my boy, man.
SPEAKER_01:Kesy's somewhere back there.
SPEAKER_04:Keesy's a motherfucker, man. He's somewhere he back there. Yeah, Kesy back there for sure. Like, he's a motherfucker, man. Ever since I knew that nigga, he always been a motherfucker in the best way possible. Like, but what the fuck? From beats to the cameraman to the just personality, just to the bruh, the the nigga brain is fucking ridiculous, man. Man, like I told y'all, you know, that's really my day one. Nigga, I met him Camelot Park Boomer Days. Damn. You feel me? 10 bucks Tuesday. Yeah, I met that nigga, you know what I'm saying? And we've been locked in ever since. And he's definitely one of them niggas who I call on when I was in prison and he came through for a nigga. For sure. Every single time I called him. Like I said, I don't really call on niggas too much, but every single time, bruh, he made it happen, bruh. Shout out to my nigga, he did the video. I'll be on the lookout too, man, for these videos finna drop. For sure. I'm finna drop. For sure. I'll dropping little teasers and shit. This shit finna go crazy though. I wanted to wait till after this. But I be I got something for niggas, man. For sure, for sure. I've been working.
SPEAKER_01:For sure, man. For sure. And I just want you to know that hey your mom is proud of you. Man. Looking at you where you're at now. I appreciate that. I know she's down, she's uh looking down at you right now. She's appreciated. Proud of you, man. I appreciate that, bro. And everything. And we all we definitely gonna continue working together and pushing in your music. And please, man, go ahead. Please tell everybody what you got going on, projects and all that.
SPEAKER_04:Man, I got unfinished business, you know what I'm saying? The project in the works right now. I got a few little videos I'm finna drop. You know what I'm saying? Follow me on Instagram, C-I-N underscore S-A-Y-7. Make sure y'all follow my boys. But if you watch this, of course you do. If not, nigga, hit subscribe, man. But you wait no. We finna go up, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. It's either y'all gonna be looking at us out of eye or y'all gonna be looking up at us. So what y'all doing? We know what we're doing. You feel me? I appreciate y'all like a motherfucker for having you. We appreciate you for coming on here. Thank y'all for letting me be vulnerable. You know what I'm saying? Of course. Anytime, man, every time I'm pulling up.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, we appreciate that, man. You've been here watching us doing our work for a minute since Dog Day, since Art Hop realistically. Yeah. And I mean, it's been amazing having you on an episode, man. Naturally well spoken. Uh, I mean, the music, we were talking about the wordplay earlier. Crazy since you was 10 years old, freestyling, doing rap battle.
SPEAKER_04:Battle rapping is shit, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's it's crazy because a lot of people just think like a rapper is just somebody who just naturally got it like that, and they just run through it. Like sometimes it takes a lot of hard work to do.
SPEAKER_04:You gotta work for it. You gotta work for it.
SPEAKER_02:Imagine being 10 years old, battle rapping, going through a lifestyle, going through prison, getting out, having to figure life out after prison, and you still got the same passion to rap.
SPEAKER_01:Bro, that's that's a different breed, right there.
SPEAKER_02:Brother, that's what you mean when you say live and die by what you stand for, bro. Exactly.
SPEAKER_04:That's the only thing I'm good at. Like, I don't know how to play no sports, I don't know how to do, but all I know how to do is rap. Right.
SPEAKER_02:And that's okay though, but you found your niche and you ran with it, bro. There's so many people lost in this world who don't know what they're good at. For sure. Shit. For sure. That's amazing, brother. That's a blessing. And all I'm gonna say is I'm I'm happy that you got out and you took a positive step into life. I'm glad you stuck with it because you finna go up with it. Watch. This music shit finna go up for you, brother. I hope and I pray for it, brother. I pray for your success. Yeah, thank you. You went through a lot for it, brother. You deserve it. Absolutely, bro. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate you, sensei, for for giving us the time.
SPEAKER_04:Anytime, man. Y'all forever in my favor, man. Y'all forever my favorite, man. For sure, bro. I appreciate y'all for having me, but thank y'all for real from the bottom of my heart, man. Shout out to y'all, man. Shout out to Broke Voice, man. Fresno, man.
SPEAKER_01:And for you guys to all watching, we hope that we inspire you and to open up about your story and even seeking uh help and finding a way to be vulnerable because a lot of stuff like since they had experience and had gone through, this is only surface level where we hit. Right. I can't even imagine what else he's gonna do.
SPEAKER_04:Hopefully, we do a part two. You feel me? Hopefully, we do a part two. We y'all just let me know when y'all are available. You feel me? We do it the same way we did this one. You know what I mean? Yeah, we're just gonna flip it. We'll do it on that side. We'll have to make it happen. You're always welcome, brother. Hell yeah. I appreciate y'all. Thank y'all again, man. Shout out to y'all, man. Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_01:Shout out, Santa. Appreciate you guys. You guys have a good one. Have a blessed one. Much love. Peace.
