Broke Boyz From Fresno
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Broke Boyz From Fresno
Underground Kings: Building Fresno's Music Scene
Blair the Captain and JSP share their journeys in the Fresno music scene, discussing how they've built careers, networked with industry figures, and created a unique sound fusion that bridges LA and Bay Area influences.
• Blair started making music at 16 with a makeshift closet studio setup
• JSP engineers and produces for numerous artists while occasionally creating his own music
• Both artists are working on "Trapology 101," available on all streaming platforms
• Blair aims to be a "funnel" for talent in Fresno, helping build infrastructure for other artists
• The duo discusses meeting industry figures like Rio Da Young OG through authentic networking
• Both emphasize the importance of diverse musical influences beyond typical genre boundaries
• JSP describes music production as "sonic therapy" that he needs to maintain creative balance
• Blair will be headlining at Dog Daze Festival alongside The Chainsmokers
• The artists share insights about building careers without major label support
• They discuss how Fresno's relative lack of infrastructure presents opportunities for building something new
Follow @Blair the Captain on all platforms and JSP on Instagram @ JSSPPP_. Check out Chosen Life Studios for production work.
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Intro Music by Rockstar Turtle- Broke Boyz (999)
Christmas Intro Song by Nico
what's up? Everybody this morning from the broke boysall already know what we're about to do. This is about to be a great interview and thank you guys for staying tuned. And DJ's going to take over for this one.
Speaker 3:What's going on y'all? What a day in the building. We got another beautiful podcast episode with a lot of great guests here a lot of talented guests here. We got my boy over here, JSP.
Speaker 1:How's it going, y'all.
Speaker 3:I got my boy, blair the captain. Up-and-coming artists, artists that have already been established, people that have been grinding for years. This is where the talent really comes from. This is the staple of a lot of the Fresno community and what we've been standing for. It's insane seeing talent after all these years and what you guys have evolved into, and the first thing I want to do is pretty much introduce who you guys are, because y'all already know who keece is. That last episode was wild. Come on great, great conversations, but I want to introduce y'all. So first off, jsp, I need to know what do you do? What is it that you do as an artist?
Speaker 1:Shit. I engineer A lot of artists just mix and match string and all the beats and shit. Occasional rap hit here and there, but for the most time I'm just behind the screen like doing what I need to do to make them sound good, okay. In my little bag, that's it.
Speaker 3:And who have you produced for? Like name some good artists you've produced for.
Speaker 1:Well, this guy right here, shit show. You know like I could go on for days. But you know just, we just dropped the tape together and we going up together, so we locking in at that, you know okay, where can we find that tape? Uh, spotify, apple youtube soundcloud. Okay, better, captain jsp type shit okay, we're gonna get that link situated for you Trapology 101. That's right.
Speaker 3:That's right, we're gonna get the link Situated for everybody as well, and then Blair, let them know what it is, bro.
Speaker 4:Also. I don't mean to interrupt, but make sure y'all Hitting that sensor and the mic. Cause on the last one. It's just a little bit Like on yours, it was yeah, okay, like right now I can hear you a little bit better.
Speaker 3:Okay, but beforehand not too much.
Speaker 4:Okay, I got you. Yeah, but try to make sure you're hitting that mug and getting a little sweet spot on that man, I got you.
Speaker 3:I ain't got my headset, so it's good you want the headset, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, that's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 5:No, we're good the captain. Uh, I do music. I'm an artist, bro. I do art. I ain't a lot do I do cultivate a lot of shit though within the city and just different little like. I'm like a little key into a little missing puzzle, you feel I just push it together too. Uh, I ain't a lot started in watts but I was born out there in la and I came out to fresno like middle school and, um, to be honest, bro, when I came out here it was like Nigga, damn near Didn't blend in Like I couldn't, I couldn't never blend in. Bro, nigga had designs and a mohawk, yep, big jeans with the. I just, you feel me, I was always.
Speaker 3:Your style was just too far out that the people out here Couldn't understand it.
Speaker 5:It was different, bro. I went to a Clo school too when I first came out here and I got kicked out the whole district you lying Swear to God, bro the whole district for forgery as a kid, though they said he has to go to Fresno or go back to LA. So I came to Fresno and I met some of the people that I started damn near doing music with. You feel me that started my career, bro. I started at like 16, feel me, with A&D, this Asian, this Asian homie I played volleyball with. We had a little mic nigga, set up in his closet, bro. He just went crazy from there type shit.
Speaker 5:And from there I started taking that shit serious. Still, bro. I went to college. Nigga came back, I went to college in LA, played volleyball and I started doing music and doing shows out there and shit, and then by that time my mom had gotten into like a little accident. So I came back to fresno. Boom, I joined the group tno. Everybody know about tno music group bro that shit was huge, that's right that's right, a nigga really.
Speaker 5:Yeah, bro, like I ain't gonna lie, I feel like this all just to start. Damn near I've been through a lot, but this, this, really you for me to start this shit.
Speaker 3:I'm going finna, go big nah, that's right, and the only way you can go is up, bro, at this point it's like when you notice that you still got a lot of road ahead of you, you still got that fire in you, bro, and that's what really matters the most, because a lot of people they feel like, oh, I don't really know, like they half foot in, half foot out after so many years of doing it, but you're still motivated. That's what it's about, bro. You don't want to be that one artist, that's just yeah, every now and then I'll do this, every now and then I'll do that. No, I keep that fire under you, bro, because that's what's going to make you big one day. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:This is facts, bro. I was just, I was stressing this like all this footwork I'm putting in, I got in a car telling JSP like this footwork I'm putting in, I want artists to see this and be like this is what I got to do, because it is what you got shit. So, right, do something to where. Like bro, like if I, if I want to perform this shit, I want to, bro, I'm trying to, I'm trying to find different ways how I can perform.
Speaker 5:Come on, I remember being an artist couldn't get on a slide and that I wasn't in demand. Yeah, and nigga had to figure out a way to do that. Come on, I remember being in demand, getting a thousand, like damn, I don't want to do this show, we're not gonna do it. So it's like, bro, I've seen like the ins and outs of this shit. I ain't gonna lie. I want to be like a little like a funnel for the whole town or this city especially, bro. Yeah, you feel me Like it's a lot of shit going on in LA, but I feel like out here I'm notable and people fuck with me and I can put some shit together.
Speaker 4:So I'll be feeling like it needs to be that.
Speaker 5:Put this shit together, so it's running smooth, like a machine.
Speaker 3:What's the machine run? Everything fall into place. You already established and you know that you have a position here. You know you got the, the stronghold to do it. It's just whatever it is that little pocket you got to run through and once you run through it, this goes up from there. And it all starts from here, bro, networking, getting getting to know different people, and I mean this is a prime example again now for a lot of y'all. Y'all probably don't know this, but I've personally known blair from one of the first jobs I ever had, and then I knew jsp as a producer back in like 2019, 2018, because a lot of the pleasure pack parties now shout out pleasure pack because them boys been putting on for years.
Speaker 5:Shout out Pleasure Pack.
Speaker 1:My boy Deuces on show. All that for real. Shout out Pleasure Pack. If you know, glory Days.
Speaker 3:For real, and I mean JSP. He was a huge staple back then too. It was just like seeing him come up in the studio making beats and it was like going to his listening parties and just experiencing the life of it. For me it was new because I didn't know anybody who produced. I knew Archangel and Turnt Rye. I knew them and you know the music that they were creating at the time.
Speaker 1:But it was just the beginning of seeing artists. Nah, I definitely did take it to another level with all that shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's crazy because, even after all this time, you never gave up. You never gave up Based on even after all this time, you never gave up. You never gave up based on the controversy, the backlash, the times you wanted to quit the most. You know what I'm saying. You're still here, you're still a staple, you're still alive, you know, and it's crazy, man, I love to see this. This is something that I wish a lot more people here in Fresno could see, and that's why I'm so glad that you all gave us the opportunity to even get you on the podcast, because this is what we're about.
Speaker 3:Broke boys from fresno is literally the story of two dudes, a group of friends, trying to come out from the ground up on just having an idea. Like bro, we want to start something. We really want to be known, but we want to be passionate about being genuine and making connections with people that have the same passions as us. Now, well, that, whether it's making music, shooting videos of cars, producing anything like that, even if you're an actor, I mean, if you got a story, tell it and realistically, bro, this is as good as it gets. That's all I'm saying. That's real.
Speaker 4:Never despise small beginnings. Exactly you don't know how this shit going to start.
Speaker 5:I just got some questions because I've been hearing about y'all obviously being a manager and been business administrator of tno.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he used to handle all our business. I used to do a lot of business, so blair and marlin was the ones who, great day, there wasn't no leash, it wasn't no genre, it wasn't no, it wasn't no direction, right, but they were adamant about being productive.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:So that gave them more reach and versatility. You know what I mean, because that's what everybody seek. Nobody want to be put in a box, not to say so condescending, but for real though. So I've been knowing Blair because of my brother, freshy right, they all went to a whining box. Marlin, kaleo, no, not wait, I don't think kaleo. Kaleo went to one, I don't know but shout out the members.
Speaker 4:Yeah, half of the members went to that school before they even thought about picking up a microphone right right so I got to see that version of them and then these niggas are the biggest artists I knew in the world at one time right, right.
Speaker 5:It was crazy because I seen a lot of artists famous people. I didn't work with a lot of people, so it was t, it was sob tno, and then sherlock, then all the other groups. That's how. I just want to say that out loud and put it on the record. Yeah, I don't want nobody to take nothing by that I don't mean nothing by that. Everybody say fuck this side Stand on it, Fuck that side Bro.
Speaker 5:I had so much pull and reach that it wasn't even through me, it was through a group. But people didn't know I'm the backbone and my niggas is the backbone behind a lot of shit. Bro, the, a lot of niggas told us like, bro, we, we started a group because of y'all bro, like y'all niggas going up and X, y and Z, we had SOB manager trying to sign our group.
Speaker 4:It's all good hey chill. But look, he said, hey, wait a minute, hold on, yeah, go ahead. But um, now, and seeing that growth in the city and being a headliner on Dog Days I don't know if y'all know Blair, the Captain, is headlining at Dog Days- Dog Days Festival Get y'all tickets.
Speaker 5:Get y'all tickets, bro. It's just for the sellout.
Speaker 4:The biggest festival, probably in Fresno. Who the hell headlining? Chainsmokers, chainsmokers.
Speaker 5:I want something just to hey. Don't copyright this. I was just singing it. I know I said it, I was just being funny. I was just being funny.
Speaker 4:Nah, nah, nah, it's good Like yeah, so that's in the town, right, yeah, and, like I said, he just said he had to find ways to get shows.
Speaker 5:He owns a bar out here. Everybody go check that out, yeah. But I hit them up inquiring about like what's going on with the second part of this. I want to be a part of it and I told them what I got going on like with no Label Tour, like it's his promoter I'm working with, he works with no Jumper and he's doing like big festivals and stuff. But he put me on this real show and damn near he's getting me paid for this. So I feel like I'm damn near trying to break a door down for my career to get to that next level and I feel like this goes to solidify it and if it don't like hard work will for sure. Like I don't care, like 20 more years of hard work, whatever.
Speaker 4:Like.
Speaker 5:I'm putting in that work, you know.
Speaker 4:How did y'all?
Speaker 5:meet this, my dog man. We met through my homie. Long live Deuce Honcho. Only my bro. We met through All the like. So we doing TNO shit. You know we got studios and shit To go to, but when we on our own time, like we used to hang out With Judah and Marlon and nigga Judah- Shout out Judah Bro, he on some grown man shit.
Speaker 5:You know he take care of his, got a house, take care of his family. That nigga was from the beginning. Hey, my little nigga Got a Benz. Hold on, that's my little, that's my dog. My little nigga got a Benz Off, just hustling Like nigga. He was Nigga. That's a real hustler Right there, shout out bro.
Speaker 4:But that nigga introduced me, introduced you to him.
Speaker 5:Nah, he introduced me To coming to that motherfucker Like how he did he was.
Speaker 1:He don't remember much of that part, you know.
Speaker 5:We was young as fuck too, though I used to be high as fuck, Just hanging out with my homie dudes, though, and yeah, shit was shit.
Speaker 1:We took it to the next level, and then Blair just came in, like you said, with that versatility and it just, you know, that's how we kind of locked in. Because that's how we kind of locked in, because my sound is like his sound a little bit, you know we both have like a similar sound and I feel like that's just what solidifies us working, you know people don't know.
Speaker 5:Like, when I see a studio or I see an engineer, I see money, like I had a touch of money. I always go higher, bro, but I realized I didn't have enough money to hire him. You feel me Like nothing could work more than what I could even offer him. So Facts I like to see how he even Got it off his own. Like if I got a plug To get him his own. Like he got his own studio. Now that's called leverage right.
Speaker 4:That's what that's called Building leverage and that's that long term is equity. Yeah, so If you know you got something and somebody else got something, if they know they got something, you not gonna always have capital Right.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:But the time obviously converts into energy. Energy is productivity.
Speaker 2:Productivity is a service.
Speaker 4:For sure, and so on and so on. So now, going into this phase of your life, it's more. I feel like it's easier to comprehend what the next step should be. You know, get the business right, because you're going to build that Y'all obviously knew. You're not going to waste your time. You ain't getting no bread and you ain't going to waste your time. You ain't getting no bread. And a lot of people don't understand that out here or in life. People, they got to have money to work, which is crazy because, chris Brown, they don't do versus they don't charge their homies for versus.
Speaker 4:They know later on, when it dropped, we gonna get that exactly. You feel me? So people on this level, they're like well, I gotta get there, so I gotta make money somehow. Yeah it is some people that you don't have no relation with yeah, yeah, charter for the service. It's a service you feel me I need. You want my time. I'm charging, feel me. So yeah, the fact that y'all did that. Did you always want to do music? Or you seen him and then y'all, or was you already doing music? What was going on?
Speaker 5:I was just tapped into myself and then Bro had pool, bro had clout, bro had pool, he was.
Speaker 1:But we've made songs, like back in 2019, that were just hits. At the time I picked them up and we went straight to the studio and we did our thing. I was driving my mama's car, you know, like it was that type of shit. So, yeah, I remember we dropped out what they Want and that was the first.
Speaker 5:That was that one.
Speaker 1:I told this to we knew, we knew we had the same style and we just like it's you know, but we never locked in like how we locking in now, you know.
Speaker 5:So that's it there's, you know, time. Time is of the essence. You know perfect timing. Go for everything. Like like people got to develop as people and then develop mentally and physically too. Like I don't know, your ears and your sound and your swag and how you do this shit go change over the years. You go turn into a man or turn into a woman or turn into who you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1:But we both grew, like you know, like I grew in my own lane. And that's what made me who like my sound or like the fruits of, like the effort of putting in that work, you know.
Speaker 5:Let me say one thing he brought a sound to me, I brought a sound to him. This is like give or take to where he don't even notice this, but I just noticed it, bro, this whole little. I noticed it, bro, I noticed it Bro.
Speaker 4:I'm playing it like you high.
Speaker 1:I'm playing it like booty bounces in these beats, you know.
Speaker 5:It's from like majority. I don't wanna, I don't wanna box it, but like it's like Cash Cobain, like he was on some Cash Cobain shit. He brought some shit to me that sound like some like New club shit. I brought him some shit that sound like some Milwaukee, detroit Like clap shit. Just cause I'm like Bro, I like this sound. I'm trying to like Get fans from New York.
Speaker 1:Cause I ain't been there, you can't find it right now. That's why we making it, so then you can find it, and now it's this so it's like a new type of flow.
Speaker 5:I'm about to fuse all this shit.
Speaker 1:It's like a fusion of shit, a new type of sound, like sounds that you just that's some dope shit.
Speaker 5:I heard a long time it's from scratch too, though, and with the still From scratch. I got some shit that still hyphy be montana black okay, and he's a platinum producer jsp.
Speaker 5:No, no, no, but that's what I'm saying about the versatility though, gang, like we so versatile, we got a network of just go make some sounds that y'all y'all gonna want to know. Like okay, well, this came from this like. So I put the history behind it. Like, okay, this sound came from a fusion of me and JSP. Okay, this next sound, like okay, still hyphy, it came from a fusion of the Bay and LA. Like, because I'm from LA, nigga, I brought, I said a real Bay member, okay, fly Wild at Billionaire's. Nigga signed to JDs. He did Helmet on my head, was on MTV Gems of like a bae type ordeal and I ain't never been on no bae type beat, bro, I'm a nigga that just get on like I flow and vibe, like I don't even call it chase, I just like to like, I really like to make music and shit.
Speaker 3:Like to hear my voice. You know what you attract.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You hear a beat and you're like, oh yeah, that's my shit.
Speaker 5:You feel me, you don't shit like we all and we putting out all types of vibes bro so I gotta ask you, what was it like performing your first like ever show or performance?
Speaker 3:I just want to ask because I know that's got to be gut wrenching. You anxious, you probably thinking like what these people gonna think of me, like what was going on.
Speaker 5:I was nervous as hell, boy, I ain't gonna lie. I was nervous than the motherfucker, bro. It's my. I ain't gonna lie. One of my first shows was in LA. Shout out D Savage. Shout out D Clan yeah bro. Shout out his little brother D Clan too, bro. Them niggas had us at the sake store. Shout out my old roommate, bro yeah bro. We performed at D Savage. That was one of my first shows. The flat top and shit. I ain't gonna lie, bro. I was nervous as hell, but I just said fuck it, I'm gonna just do this shit. I was just vibing.
Speaker 4:What made you write the song and then like. What made you like? Was it something you seen? Like? Was it another artist? Was it a moment he's like I'm gonna rap, and then that put you in that position? Was that your first song? Was it your first mixtape? What was that?
Speaker 5:Bro, my roommate was fucking with me off my SoundCloud shit Like I ain't even.
Speaker 4:So you was already recording music, yeah, and then it led up to your first show yeah.
Speaker 3:I got one thing I want to say Go ahead, you got it. This is something I don't even think he remember. There was one time y'all was doing a little competition Gets a feature. Oh, yep, Bro, I was living in Bakersfield. This is when I had first move from Fresno to Bakersfield. Yeah, I submitted a verse to this Bro. That just made me remember that I forgot that even happened. Bro, I submitted a whole verse to him. I remember his verse that is don't repeat it. Don't repeat it.
Speaker 5:No, no, no, no, I'm not.
Speaker 3:But, listen bro, that was some of the wildest shit. I just had to bring that up. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Speaker 4:That was lit, that's iconic, that's archive yo.
Speaker 2:Bro for real.
Speaker 4:That's an archive and that's dope. So that's what I'm asking them, basically Cause I've never had the pleasure Pleasure of meeting somebody From the pleasure pack that you what he do. You feel me so right, everybody, I knew their fashion. We did a fashion show them parties.
Speaker 1:I knew you know, ryan, they'll make beats and we shopped around and there'd be a party and we'd be in the studio cooking still, because that's when everybody come together. So, right, losing that tucked off.
Speaker 4:So the fact that I'm asking how he met him, because now they together and the force is, it's evident, you feel me so that dope.
Speaker 5:I was tied in with that Pleasure Pack shit though Niggas don't know I was TNO, but nigga the whole time I've been fucking with Pleasure Pack niggas bro.
Speaker 2:You can't say I was at the parties with niggas.
Speaker 5:We used to just network, bro, like me, you, jonesburg, we was on the scenes in LA, the scenes in LA, that's how they low key. We had it. Niggas still got it like that.
Speaker 4:Rob Markman. It reminded me of an LA vibe when I went to a few of y'all events. It just was very relaxed but at the same time overcrowded.
Speaker 1:Loud music, very lo-fi, Rob Markman, you got a little bit of ratchet and a little bit of emo.
Speaker 4:Rob Markman yeah, emo.
Speaker 1:Just like that.
Speaker 4:So everybody loose and then everybody like what's it called Abrasive, like everybody kind of relaxed, like you feel me Everybody partying and vibing. That's very much how a lot of the LA events I go to downtown is like everybody there for themself.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. If you want to be here, be here. So you see all kind of different people I'm talking about Trans people, vampires, christians, catholics, buddhists, chinese Y'all never notice that when y'all go to y'all parties, it just be like Anybody. Anybody, that's the littest shit to me. You can't discriminate when it comes down to the people. I'm for the people.
Speaker 5:I'm not for one, I'm for Like I don't fuck with a lot of shit, but I'm for the people. Like you know, I'm not gonna discriminate. If you fuck with me, I'll fuck with you, and I'm not talking About all the like Sexual shit, just on some like. Mutual and fan shit. Like bro, people Do not even have fans or build fans. Like bro, you gotta Fuck with people, bro.
Speaker 4:Like different scenes and shit, like I'm discriminating. I'm just saying, like you feel me, some of my closest Home people you know they're homosexual, some of my closest friends Is homosexual. You feel me but I'm not. I just I'm more, I guess, considerate and understanding Of that. So it's easier for me To hit a club and we ho. I don't know if y'all know West Hollywood.
Speaker 5:No, I'm serious Like.
Speaker 4:I'll go with All my sisters and my cousins, and they all, like you know, bad bitches. So all the bitches Come to me immediately. You know how many bitches Is at the gay place More than the straight place. You feel me.
Speaker 5:But I'm in no hole With it. Woodland Hills, I be all due to value. I be wise, I be self-centered, I be. I'm just saying that the security fact.
Speaker 4:So all this shit Like the vampires too, like when I first Started seeing vampires.
Speaker 2:We be on Hill Street too, with the vampires, like it's a culture and it's shit, real it's.
Speaker 4:Christians and Catholics and Magas, nigga this shit it's real.
Speaker 5:I had to meet the vampires, though like the vamp scene Is bro like Choppo and Kill Nigel. Like the homies Is really. That's a real thing, that's a real situation.
Speaker 4:It kinda sexy, though Like you might bite my neck I might start bleeding and I'm like that shit.
Speaker 2:Look like you know.
Speaker 5:You know the girls, you know the girls Is different than that scene, but the ones that listen To Lil Peep and the Golf Boy Click and all that shit I fuck with them, niggas. I've been fucking with them, niggas, since 2016, like opening. I've been fucking with them, niggas, since 2016. Like bro, I was opening shows with Famous Dex, trippie Redd and Lil Tracy and Ski Mask. Like bro, I've been a part of that scene since 2016. But I've been on the fucked up part of it. I've been doing what I've been doing now because I didn't know how to do what I was supposed to do. Damn it, you feel me. It all makes sense, though.
Speaker 3:Like it's going to level up eventually. You have to keep to something and stick to it, but you notice that style is still here. I don't know if you noticed this, but Ski Mask of Slum God just dropped that album featuring XXX and it's like.
Speaker 5:Yeah, shout out. Willie G. He produced on that. We got a tape coming too. He fuck with me. He fuck with Ski Mask, I fuck with Ski Mask, I fuck with X RPX, all that, and it's just crazy, bro, because it's like that scene has never died off.
Speaker 3:I mean, that was 2016, 2015 type era, but it's still here. And I think one thing a lot of people in Fresno kind of forget is the fact that the Fresno scene is so diverse, right? So, just as you were saying, the vamp scene, you got the alt scene, you got people who are in the gothic, you got Christians christians like our country, country scenes.
Speaker 3:Like you know my niggas, like this you feel me, so it ain't you right and country and to be able to combine your music and get along with different eras or different music scenes is crazy, because a lot of people I feel like in the music scene can be very territorial. They're like, oh no, I don't fuck with that, like no, I don't do that. Like to be accepting of another artist's creation and be like you know what this is different, but I see the vision, I understand it right and accept it and agree with it. Be like you know what that's good. You might, you might not completely agree with it, but at the end of the day, to be able to accept that and grow as a community they might not completely accept you that's what.
Speaker 4:Because you're genuine, you're attending to who you are. You're not gonna. You know who taught me that? Mac dre. When I was growing up, I listened to p diddy and fucking tupac and snoop and dr dre and e40, but it had to, or you know, I listened to a lot of I'm talking about rap yeah, I listened to a lot of pop music is what I was trying to say. And then when I got in high school, mac Dre was that nigga. So I was like man.
Speaker 4:Underground weak. And then I was like I never even heard it to even say that, not knowing like Pac and C-Bo and E-40 was technically Underground Too short at one point you feel me. And listen to fucking Mac Dre and it was like a regular song, though it wasn't like one of his hits. I can't remember what song it was, it was probably one of his compilations and I was like dang, like he really said a lot, cause I could understand words, I understood production and shit like that.
Speaker 4:So I was like, wait, this nigga's an artist, like he's bigger than all them, and then you see how much production he did of his own, a lot of his beats. He made them hits like, and then that's underground, you feel me, and it just showed me that. So I was like, and then he hung around. He had, you know, when you see trill tv and you see him around the asians and the blacks, the mexicans and whoever like his different audiences. He was different when he went back to the hood he was like too flavorful for them.
Speaker 4:So that's important, that's dope and inclusiveness. You know I mean some people make all these political terms feel so insensitive. Like you say inclusive and like diversify, or you know what I mean. Alternative is that was like almost like being called a square. Yeah, until recently, like you were square because you do something different. You know what I mean. Alternative is that was like almost like being called a square.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Until recently. Like you were square because you do something different. You know what I mean. In this culture at least Like the street culture.
Speaker 5:I want to chime in on that because I hear you, gang, and I come with not putting people in a box Like bro. You got to understand the human instinct and the psychological Thing behind the brain Before you can like, even push somebody, cause somebody could like rock and they could like this, and that I did.
Speaker 4:I listened to Pop Travis Barker, blink-182. It's certain shit you can't put past. People Either, though.
Speaker 5:You know like Can't, you never know. Like, just cause he a producer Don't mean like he won't get into a fade or who knows, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:I still listen to James Brown, ray Charles, motown.
Speaker 5:So they was gangsters and like OJ's and Isley Brothers, you feel me Perspective is reality Once people see like, different perspectives, like literally have different Keys to being Like, this is Literally the whole Perception of reality that we all Make what we see. We're here together, man, we're here together and make what we see For real.
Speaker 4:We're here together, especially in the city. I hope I'm on some high shit, that's some high shit.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's some high shit, but it makes sense, though I'm really thinking this shit for real though, but it makes sense though.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:That's the part that's like. That's the part that I love.
Speaker 4:Yes, it's so Martin said it's authentic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's so authentic that. You know, no matter what mindset or what headspace you in, you know what's real and what's not. That might sound crazy To the audience. If y'all don't get it, whatever.
Speaker 2:Anyways, that's real shit.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying To see this Row of creative mindsets, this is like a pot of gold, like and KC. To see this row of creative mindsets, this is like a pot of gold.
Speaker 5:Like and KC.
Speaker 4:I know you shout out to you Shout out to DJ for real. That's a superstar man.
Speaker 3:But I just want to know, I just want to know you came about getting into obviously producing, into management, into obviously producing your own movie, which is to me that is insane. I seen that on Clip City I said. I said, wow, this dude is the real deal. Holy field Like you don't get no greater than this, and that's coming from one individual. Right Now I don't know if you worked with a team of people, but what made you want to come up with the Clip City movie? What made you really stand out and say, no, I got to do this one for the culture, for the city I got to give it to god bro okay, respect, respect, agree because he showed me this and it's crazy.
Speaker 4:I appreciate us being able to do this because I didn't give him enough credit on that last one when I was talking crazy, but I was thinking about trauma. There was a trauma episode for me, but I love it. That's real Long story short everybody around me. I am only as good as the company I keep Right. And God had my mama recording me from a little kid. I was unaware. Bro recording me from a little kid. I think I was unaware. Bro. God kept those specific VHS. Vhs is in home videos on earth because there's so many of them that's gone right funnier stuff like crazy, but it's so much that's still here.
Speaker 4:And then being a rapper and trying to learn how to produce my own stuff. So I don't have to wait for nobody because it's very important and but you know you'll grow and you'll work with people. But that part. And then I was trying to tell something authentic and I kept going through this phase of like doctor it up, cut this part out and make it about me. But obviously I'm just telling a story, but it's about Fresno and Dallas, my transition between both, Because everybody in there is very close to changing the game forever. I'm talking about every little artist behind the scene, every model, everybody. That was little that you see grow up to the end. They're all on the way to changing. I ain't talking. I'm talking about real tv, abc, cbs, it's not even. I'll be stupid to yeah you put it down.
Speaker 4:So when I made that movie, I really wanted to tell something authentic for the city Because it was going to be called More Than Life. That was going to be the original movie. It was going to be about my life, right. But then if you listen to the mixtape and you see how the music was always the driving force, you hear us yelling Clip City the whole time Because it was two cliques that came together and Fresno was a very violent place from guns and stuff was more crazier than Clip City, not in a bad way, but that's the representation I experienced. I've been seeing shootouts and guns and stuff since I was little.
Speaker 4:You feel me, yeah, facts. And that never stopped us, it's just part of it.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:You feel me so, my cousin. He was emphasizing, emphasizing on that and then he was calling our click clip city, right. So when I was like, what can I call it that represent what we did. That's how the name and that's why the emphasis came behind the movie and when the name came, it helped me tell the story right so that's pretty much how that happened that's kind of crazy, bro, it's.
Speaker 3:It's wild because you can only compress such a wide story in years of creativity in the making into a short story and kind of explain you know who you are and how you came about. But before you guys, we have again some of the biggest artists here in Fresno, biggest producers, biggest creative mindsets. I'm sorry that came out way longer than it needed to.
Speaker 5:I was starting like a motherfucker. I'm oral farming.
Speaker 4:Basically. But yeah, and you, we cannot ask you questions.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean mean, by all means, hold on, hold on, let me get. Look, bro, what's up with the Lexus? This nigga had to Clean this Lexus. I know, bro, he into cars. Bro, I wanna get this man A shout out and props cause, bro, you still the same Nigga. I know I'm still the same nigga. I don't to go change you still the same nigga, bro, you just a solid individual, bro. I want to know, the people want to know I ain't fucking with you and my nigga Zach in a minute.
Speaker 3:We should hotbox the Lexus. Bro Shout out Z Money.
Speaker 5:We should slap music. Jsp produced inside their car, let's go. And now we all here doing this moment. But what's up, where did you got the Lexus to?
Speaker 3:So I'm in a car crew called Modified Luxury Crew and we got nothing but Lexuses. But just as of March, I sold the Lexus oh nothing.
Speaker 5:We need to get a moment. Hold on a moment.
Speaker 3:So that one I showed you, that one I showed you, was a replica of the first one I had when I met you. What the fuck.
Speaker 2:So that first Lexus.
Speaker 3:I had same green. It had a tan interior. I was modifying it. I was swinging it too crazy. We was going to side shows. We was. I was at every.
Speaker 5:U-turn, going crazy with it At the side. Show, bro, like your rim scrape.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. We was going crazy with it and then eventually me not knowing too much about differentials and transmissions parts started failing. I couldn't afford it. It was my daily driver and I was traveling from Chowchilla to Fresno for work every day. Eventually it just came to a stop so I had to sell it. Got into another Lexus you know me, I'm not too far from no Lexus for too long.
Speaker 2:I got a.
Speaker 3:Volkswagen right now a little hatchback, that's far. It ain't nothing crazy right now. It's going to be in the build progress, but I do got a little bit of something that I'm cooking up. It's going to be another Lexus, but it's going to be something.
Speaker 4:What's your favorite car?
Speaker 3:It's got to be a Lexus. I'm telling you you want like a specific car, my absolute favorite car has to be. A 1991 Ford Mustang Fox body Hatchback.
Speaker 4:My family from Oakland, my dad from, that's my favorite car. My favorite car is Menace to Society. Yeah, okay, okay, the IROC no, it was the Drop Top 50, yeah, but I like the Fox body my mama had one of those Gold Dayton's. I like the Fox bodies A my mama had one of those Go Dayton's. I like the Fox bodies a lot and I like the all red ones with the black.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my dad had a. I think I was like four or five years old. My dad had a red, convertible, white interior drop top bro. It was so clean.
Speaker 4:So do you like Testarossas? I'm not a.
Speaker 3:Ferrari dude, bro, I'm not a Ferrari dude, I'm a Lambo dude to the death of me.
Speaker 4:I like both. I like both, but the Testarossas. It reminds me of the Fox body.
Speaker 3:I get it. It's on some bullshit. I get it Like nigga what. I see the vision. It's real. I'm an F40. Dude, I love a Ferrari F40,. Dude, I love a Ferrari F40.
Speaker 5:I like Ferraris.
Speaker 3:Something about that pop-up headlight with that big square wing on the back, bro, I fuck with the pop-up headlights.
Speaker 5:You feel me? I have the Nissan 240SX, Bro tell him about the 240. Because when I met him.
Speaker 3:He had a red convertible 240. I was geeking over that at work, bro.
Speaker 5:I lost it at black it was a Nissan 240SX turbo. I swear to God, bro, he ran in there bitch, he's not lying Bro. I lost it, though, Like I lost that bitch at a tow yard. Wow, I never went and got it. I had $1,000 in there too, so they came up. I had some clothes. Yeah, they came up on that car. It was a lot. It was a lot in there. Damn, it was a nice car though. Car ever. My cousin gave me that, my uncle and my cousin gave me that.
Speaker 5:I appreciate that shit hella too bro.
Speaker 2:I was like 17.
Speaker 5:I was like 18 or so. I just came back from college.
Speaker 3:Damn the 240. The first whip. That was like my dream car. I had a homeboy named Mikey. He's my Nissan. My boy Mikey had a purple one, just like yours.
Speaker 5:He talking about the black one. Yeah, the black one, with the lights come up. That was really good. That one was like as in documentaries and fucking vlogs yes, all my cars be in vlogs and music video. I'm going to stop doing that. That's why you know I'm going to put my cars in the garage.
Speaker 4:Keep them off the camera. What's your favorite Lamborghini? I'm going to ask you that one.
Speaker 3:Lamborghini Huracan or a Murcielago LP670. Let me tell you, the Murcielago may be old as shit, no, but they still worth over $100,000. If I get me one bro, I'm telling you right now, I ain't never selling.
Speaker 4:Now I said that about the Lexus, though Now that was like the top car in like 2000 and it's like 2008, 2010, like Kanye-esque like yeah you kind of like?
Speaker 3:that boy fabulous. That boy fabulous had it on the car cover.
Speaker 4:It was uh the blue one, the ice blue uh, street dreams, or, yeah, I think it's street, I think so.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, bro, that car was it, bro. But I gotta ask JSP, yeah, if you had a limited amount of money, what kind of car would you get into? I need to know, like what is that one car you would stick with and never sell if you had a million dollars?
Speaker 1:Shit Probably like an old school Ferrari.
Speaker 3:Okay, what kind are we thinking? What kind are we thinking?
Speaker 1:I couldn't tell you, but just something with just that hit when I first pull up yeah yeah that's what I want. Okay, I'm into cars, but I just don't remember all the names.
Speaker 4:It's all good you said Ferrari, you got me and you said old school, it's only, it's like a Lamborghini you can't get one broke. You're not like they, only they're. Every one is handmade Exactly so it's like a Rolex. You can't, you can't, just it's not gonna accidentally, unless you, like somebody, got knocked out and you pick that mug up and they can even track it as long as they, if they find you, they can track it. Right, that's some crazy work bro, but you want me to pull out my list.
Speaker 5:I got a list.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let me hear it.
Speaker 5:Let me hear it. Yeah, because this shit is obtainable.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 5:Damn. No, it's fucking average.
Speaker 4:I was going to say you got a list already. I got a list in my head. Go on in 60 seconds.
Speaker 5:I'm going to get a Chevy IROG. Okay, I'm going to get a Chevy GTR. Yes, sir, I'm finna get an i8, i8, yeah, fuck with those.
Speaker 4:What about a Subaru Impreza WIA? I'm like. That's my favorite car I want like a 10.
Speaker 5:I want a 10 car garage, like on some Uzi.
Speaker 3:On some GTA shit yeah, I want a lot of cars From.
Speaker 4:Speed. And what was the other one?
Speaker 3:Midnight, midnight what was the other one?
Speaker 2:midnight, I mean midnight club, bro.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was a lot of those cars in that time was like it was different, like it's just you can't forget the super, bro.
Speaker 3:Like that was the staple. The super was the staple that was fast and the furious that was that's when they put it on the market like it's that thing.
Speaker 4:Then they stopped making them for a while they still going for 80 000 and up.
Speaker 3:yeah, they up, they up there in price bro, up there I ain't go.
Speaker 5:I just seen some fast shit in LA, I think a Rio pulled up in the Roy's, in the Roy's, in the Rolls Roy's with the doors open, the other way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I said, god damn, it's fast shit, I didn't even hey so I got a question about that too. You go about meeting real the young og, because when I hear that I'm like bro, I know real that boy's known in the music industry pretty fat, pretty heavy, yeah, like I. I looked at his numbers today I said, bro, he's moving. Yeah, how do you, how did you get into that?
Speaker 5:like, before anything, shout out no label and shout out real the young og again. To be honest, I feel like, without that, even me, like me to no label or talking to no label yeah, like I reached out to him and him fucking with me and calling me and fucking with me Like it, just like I feel like that's how that happened because, to be honest, like it wouldn't matter if I wasn't, like, if I was just fanned out and just met him and that's going to give him money in his pockets out here in Fresno. Right, I ain't going to lie. I feel like me doing what I'm doing, signing up to do this. It really led up to that because it's just perfect timing. You got to be where you're supposed to be at. I ain't been to LA in three years.
Speaker 1:We was on Mel dipping, literally like we was all like, bro, let's just Hit the road. And I was telling them Nah bro, like it's, we're in Melrose.
Speaker 2:We're bound to see somebody Before we even got there, I told them we're bound to see somebody.
Speaker 5:I said, I said bro Rio pulling up, look, they said. I said look Desto Dub Right there in his car to go over there, and then I let them handle. I was trying to let them handle their business when they went in the store and shit, long story short, jsp homie, our homie late night, this nigga go in there like oh, my homie's performing Blair, blair, the captain's out here, he's finna perform with friends.
Speaker 5:I'm like bro and I'm like bro, they need to handle whatever they came here to do. He came back out and he was like bro. I asked him like oh, you know about Blair the captain? He was like yeah, bro, he said he knew. I asked him like you know, blair, my homie? He was like who, like the something, like the captain or something, and he told him like yeah, bro, I heard that name Like type shit. So that was more surreal. Even the homie, even coming after the security, like yeah, come on, he wants to meet you. Like.
Speaker 5:Those were certain key words that make a moment more than like okay, I took the picture, I said what's up, but like bro, I usually blend in bro, but niggas know who it is Like niggas know the real. Like I fuck with some shit tough and I show love for real, like it's not no fake shit. So you know niggas can recognize that yeah, meeting that nigga was for real, like a good experience. I talked to him, chopped it up with him. Let him know I'm a part of this shit out here in Fresno and Riverside.
Speaker 3:I think the biggest thing is, too, is you wasn't like completely found out over him, like you knew who he was. You was like bro, that's real, but like you still treated him like a human. You, that shit, regular gang.
Speaker 5:We've been meeting celebrities since we was young Bro. I met before I even got back to Fresno when I was in college. I met Chief Keef at 7-Eleven. He pulled up in the I-8 and randomly met that nigga gang. So it was surreal. That's fire Like randomly. It was meant to happen. Everybody said that's not him. I'm looking out the window. I'm just like we all deep in the car, a little truck, we, high as fuck. I'm like bro, that's fucking Chief Keith. They're like bro, whatever bro, you can just think everybody you know I'm nigga. I get out the car.
Speaker 5:I said what's up with Chief Sosa? I said I told y'all niggas, y'all niggas, stupid, they were dumb, they were fanned out after Irregular people. That's what you mean, irregular people? Yeah, but it was. You see how I made more of a principle of the fact, like I told y'all who it was, more than like oh, it's GQ. And I walk up to GQ like oh, this nice bro. He's like, yeah, I know, he just hides it, I know. And then ball out what's his name, his homie bro. We listening to that nigga too. I'm mad. I don't know that nigga. Another nigga in Glow Gang, tato or something. He was with that nigga bro, I've been meeting niggas bro.
Speaker 4:How long ago was it? Yeah, how long ago was it?
Speaker 5:That was like in 2017. I don't know who that is, it was one of them. Me and Rio was cool too, though, like gang we man hella niggas Blueface. Juice WRLD Damn Juice WRLD was. That was crazy. Me and Juice WRLD RP that nigga bruh. Yeah bro, this shit, this shit, feel like, yeah, it is supposed to be meant to be, but I'm not. No, like I'm know dick rider, I just fuck with what I fuck with. You were in a position where you was in a circle of big people.
Speaker 3:But again, you met them when you was younger, so you already knew you was destined to be something great. You already knew that was going to be your clique. The craziest part of all that is, it's the same thing for him. And today I learned something completely new. I mean, I'm not on no fanboy shit, but hearing what you were saying about the whole situation with Tyler the Creator's- yeah, Tera, Tera, Tera, yeah and I was like Shout out Tera I was like what you got to tell us about that, bro?
Speaker 4:That's crazy she going to beat me up Bro don't look, she ain't going to be too old, bro. I mean it's, that's one nigga for real. But now tara is the most gangsters female in my generation. Like man, like that's in this art excuse me, I'm in this art. Uh, she did a lot of the early visual creative direction for tyler and all of them shut up damn near she's a free mind if you know what free minds is.
Speaker 4:That's like one of the. That's how, basically, our future started in San Francisco. Shut up all our future and free minds. They was like the ones who start putting the brain in a pyramid together like open your shit up and that. That's what. Like Left Brain and Haji. They are free minds terror free minds.
Speaker 4:Right and then Futurist Tyler's, sid's, the internet. Sid was the engineer for them and everybody used to go record at her house. Everybody wasn't together. Then everybody started meeting. However, that happened and everybody went their own direction. So now she got future wave. Future wave is ty, uh, not tyler. Future wave is a lot of duckworth newman. And yeah, we met them. Hella, like they, they family. You feel me? It's like extended right and it's not that I know you and I need nothing from you.
Speaker 4:It's like a scene we go to Tara's house and you will see who walk in his little ass apartment and you can look on the wall and see all these pictures. She's a photographer, dopest photographer, she, she, how do I want to say this. She's like the person behind the scenes who kind of like she's a gatekeeper. She's a gatekeeper, tara. You're a gatekeeper For the right reason, you feel me, and she's regular. If she wanted to sell out, she could sell out and cross over any second and she used to tell me that you're going to sell out, you're going to sell out. No, gonna sell out. Nah, never gonna sell out, like especially after nip. There's no way I would never sell out, you feel me.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you could be you and do do your astronomical now.
Speaker 4:Yeah so what's the point of?
Speaker 4:being submissive to another person to your, but at the same time if it help it, I'll do it. I met tara through my best friend, dimitri the. I grew up making beats with he. Only he, only one scene in the movie, but he he the reason why I do a lot what I do. He, we all lived in Humboldt County Right, we all was in the CCC. That's where the weed at. We don't even know it's a whole different world when it comes to weed. We don't even know. We don't know. They don't believe in money, they believe in nug. They don't believe in God. What they do?
Speaker 4:they nug Everything is ruled by the nug the whole culture when you get to Mendocino. That's money, it's equity the more gas, the more access you get. It's insane. Let's be sure Dimitri met her out there. I ended up coming back to fresno and then dimitri moved to texas. She ended up, she from san luis obispo. She moved to, I think, oakland, new york, and then went to la and that's where she's been ever since. So she a part of porn hoodies and malcolm. Is that shut up that?
Speaker 4:out that nigga and Porn Hoodies, Him, his girl. They run a crazy system. Long story short, she's a creative mentor for me. And we all born in 1988. Me, her Duckworth, I can't think of everybody, I think um, I can't think everybody name, but I want to say jq, I'm not sure, but they all friends, they like they, they the real friends of these people I'm mentioning, like right they are part of them, real circles, like it's not about aura.
Speaker 4:For me, that's the last thing they want to see. If you get caught doing that shit, you audit. So I'm kind of like, uh, flamboyant. I'm from fresno so I feel like I have to try harder. But they we have, we have these same conversations when we chill. It's like they know I'm cute, but they like you know, he, he, he, liable to set this bitch off, like Kanye or something. Matt, nigga, you feel me Of the group. So, having all our personalities, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, tara, she's a very unique being and obviously I feel like you will meet her, because I'm only as good as the company I keep Right, so like I don't let a lot of people come around me you just don't.
Speaker 4:I can't go around a lot of people, I can't have access to a lot of stuff because I'm on this side, so seeing the industry, she like, she, hollywood back, hollywood Boulevard. Is that right there? She lived right here, right, right. And when you look over the backyard you go to the roof, like we, up now. You look down, that's hollywood boulevard probably die right there, the observatorium that's hollywood boulevard. It's how close she lived to this. I was there too, at her house everybody.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know and she's super, she's super lovely, but um yeah, the people she fucked with, those influential and I want to talk about influential too. I ain't gonna lie like being influential bro, like even like Tyler, and but not even him.
Speaker 2:Other people just like people you would never meet that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Unless you like a real art connoisseur, like you gotta be a type of, you gotta reach that level, you gotta be on that same playing field type shit which is crazy, bro.
Speaker 3:It's like again hearing this to me is insane, because I've never met nobody that was big like that. I've never met, no, but like I hear of artists like that, I hear of people like that and I'm just like bro, I probably never meet them a day in my life you probably met a lot of card, you know.
Speaker 4:No, no, I'm gonna be honest doing what you're doing now.
Speaker 5:That's what I'm not saying. That's your whole purpose to me, right? But that network of what you really gonna do, bro, yeah, it's bigger than like I love cars so much, fast and the furious change when that came out, it reminded me of some like this, like some late night outside.
Speaker 4:So I'm serious, I was little brad. I was in sixth grade when that came out yeah so that was the beginning of the side show. That was the first time we actually seen what go on how they be doing these street racing, and that's what police look like. Got the ghetto bird out, but it's all good they ain't tripping about us.
Speaker 3:We good Shout out Broke Boys on the mic. Please Y'all see the motion.
Speaker 4:Y'all funny. So long story short. The side show and then the culture is like how we got into making music? Because then we start staying out going to parties. Then they start introducing the microphone to the party and it's like you can get on that motherfucker, but it wasn't that many rappers, yeah it was nothing like it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's nothing like that like if niggas were rapping, you would never know and that's what I was talking about on my last episode. Remember I said when you come from a position where you don't got nobody around you, that's already doing it and you got to figure it out how do you, how do you create, how do you continue to have that creative mindset, how do you continue to push for something that's not known or made yet?
Speaker 4:So again, that's a big prophecy to have bro.
Speaker 1:You just keep going.
Speaker 3:You got to keep going, you got to keep believing.
Speaker 1:Either that or don't. Yeah, yeah, that's basically what it is. I've been doing this shit for so long and it's like if I do it, I'm going to do it all in, or like, just get my little money on the side and just be cool, you know like it's like there's a difference between that. Like reality, you know, you can see it, but like you gotta put yourself in like the energy to facts to push. You know, or just travel, just get out there more you use the city, ain't shit, you know.
Speaker 1:Like right I've ran through the city. You know and like and like. I need more city. You know so it's about just getting out there and a lot of I can relate with a lot of artists and people who do creativeness out here. It's like you gotta expand yourself and like.
Speaker 3:It feel like a dead end. You get to a point and it's just like I don't think there's much more out here who you working with right and double down and like, type you know like are you doing it?
Speaker 1:type how you getting how?
Speaker 4:y'all doing it, y'all young brothers, having man, like, like I said, god don't just put me around everybody. So I'm saying that for y'all, like y'all, you feel me hey shout out martin for real, bro, marty, marty.
Speaker 5:Hey bro, when y'all become Rich boys, is the name gonna change From broke?
Speaker 2:boys.
Speaker 5:I just wanna this is a real question it's gonna be time stamped In the future. You guys are gonna use this when you're on the podcast With Joe Rogan and him yeah, is Broke boys gonna change his name, of course, from broke boys when you become Rich boys to change his name from broke boys when you become rich boys, or you're always going to?
Speaker 3:be broke boys. We'll always be broke boys because at heart we're always still broke. We know to stay humble, regardless of the amount of money that we got in that bank account.
Speaker 4:We know we're still going to be making genuine content. Hold on, watch that cord, watch your headphones. Watch your headphones, my boy Martin goes.
Speaker 3:step in real quick. He got a little message to say it's deeper. It's deeper than what it really looked like right now.
Speaker 2:Well, for the most part, everybody's been listening. I've been doing this for three years and I've had such a good fan base. Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Sit down, fam, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:I've been doing this shit for years and I never gave up on my passion. But one thing, if y'all didn't know about my whole background, the one person that really knows of everything that I went, though, is dj.
Speaker 2:Dj has known me for so long, and I went through so much fucking shit, but I never gave up on my dream. I always made sure of like hey, dj's known me. I worked in the fields, worked long hours, didn't make shit, barely living paycheck to paycheck, trying to fucking make something out of myself. Still trying to figure out college.
Speaker 2:I went to college and I put myself through college and I realized that you don't need college to be successful little things I I evolved, I changed and I I found my ways and I maneuvered through everything, and the platform itself has always shown like you put your mind into it and you really want to build something and you really have a goal and an ambition, then you're gonna fucking do it with everything you got, no matter what started off with nothing.
Speaker 5:I didn't have nothing no equipment, no camera, no lighting, nothing bro, when I heard those claps I said bro, we're on fucking live stream with kaisa now hey, put the claps put the clap br, clap bro, like what bro?
Speaker 2:The orange button that says applause.
Speaker 5:Oh, you gave me the crickets, nigga.
Speaker 1:You gonna give me crickets nigga hey man. Oh, there we go. Yes, thanks, thanks, thank you, thank you, thank you. This is crazy.
Speaker 5:Did you know that?
Speaker 4:whatever you think about, will happen Like your thoughts have a frequency. It happen like your thoughts have a frequency.
Speaker 4:It's the only way your reality manifests. Once you're conscious yeah, and you're not conscious until you turn about well, usually puberty, right nobody starts to realize who it is and you start to make different choices based off relationships. Yeah, you know what I mean and everybody are, you know, at some point accountable for what they're doing. So one thing I want to ask you is like where do you really see this platform going? Like he said, turning into rich boys?
Speaker 5:What do you?
Speaker 4:see, I'm just asking.
Speaker 2:No, it's going to stay the same the name and what it stands for the authenticity. I stutter a lot. I have my own issues. I've had a lot of fucking head damages, Trust me. So when I stutter sometimes it's like a broken record.
Speaker 2:I was just that's what we all do, but that just keeps it from being authentic and showing out to people that I don't need to branch out, to go all the way to LA to go over here. It's not about that. It's about the community that we're building here and literally like showing love to everybody around the world. People from the UK listen. People from the Netherlands listen.
Speaker 4:People literally all around Lord if somebody hit us up today in the comments I'm like I'm all the way in Florida, isn't that crazy. I was like that's lit.
Speaker 2:And it just goes, it just continues growing and I don't got to sit here and be like, oh bullshit, yada, yada, yada, my number show.
Speaker 4:Did you think that post was going to go up?
Speaker 2:No, when I just see it as like. That's what I do. I love to post just for the fuck of it For sure, because I'm proud of what I created. Come on and to show it out cool and it gets love, and sometimes it don't, but at the end of the day it's just putting it out there, showing that I'm consistent, showing that the platform is what it stands for self-love and self-reflection and evolution.
Speaker 5:Let's go so he not go change. That's what I wanted to hear. Okay for sure. He said he ain't go change Nigga 100 million. It's still broke boys, nigga we're broke bro 100 million.
Speaker 2:Stop asking yeah. That's real shit so being in that Like talking about this now. What keeps you guys motivated To continue going? What's your guys' key point Of, like you know what? This is, what's Gonna keep me going. Is it the money? Is it the fame? Is it the love of the game?
Speaker 5:to be honest, I feel like it's this fire I got, because, even before my daughters, because it now it's like I'm trying to provide from this fire I got like it's a fire that I got bro with this music and passion to make creativity and link with different artists that are like-minded. So it's as far I got, brother. I know like I think that's what it is, that's so it's as far as I got, brother. I know, like I think that's what it is that's motivating Like. It's like a candle, bro. I feel like once I lose that, though, I feel like I lose touch, like, but I ain't lost that I keep my head strong, shooting the shot, miss, make or not, like nigga, i'ma keep going.
Speaker 1:Like you said, you gotta make it like your everyday type shit Rob.
Speaker 5:Markman, and that's the whole thing. I'm trying to work around being a provider with everything I do to where I got to provide with myself Off this music I feel like, to where this shit will make sense. Every time I wake up all I have to do is music because I'm providing off this shit. I'm trying to make my way off this. So I do feel like it's a fire, money, money and a hunger passion. For my daughters it's never been no fame, but like I do want to obtain like a physical, like you feel me.
Speaker 1:You do want to see your effort like reach somebody or reach a milestone, and you know just like in all categories of your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you want to shoot for the stars and see where you're going.
Speaker 4:I do want to be famous, but that's not the first thing really I want to see. I want to see the city like I do it because I want, when they, when they, when they mention fresno, that it's just something super dope, like can't shut up, like that's all I look at, like we ain't got no basketball team. So you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:We got no football team.
Speaker 4:We got no baseball team like we do. But it's not, the baseball is just it's minor, it's minor leagues. Yes so, but I'm just saying like we ain't got no commercial powerhouse companies, yeah, and it's like we got these big ass buildings, though you feel me. So the ideas and stuff is here and I'll be like I just want to. I want to see that change, like, yeah, and I feel like it's gonna come change and I feel like it's going to come through the entertainment. I feel like it's going to.
Speaker 5:It's just that's what brings them both together. It's like a blank canvas. Huh yeah, that's what I felt like, too, when I came out here, because Hollywood and all that shit is painted up.
Speaker 1:But like when you think the city will be at that level that you're talking about.
Speaker 4:It already is it being there, it's just everybody steal their shit from here.
Speaker 5:Hold on, hold on. Don't run off from that question either, though. What's the question you said? What's your passion behind that? Don't run off on that question. Well, he answered it.
Speaker 1:I want to hear what he said. I'd never yeah no. In fact, that's about what again?
Speaker 2:What motivates you?
Speaker 5:Yeah, like your passion, the I want to hear that.
Speaker 1:Shit. What keeps you motivated to stay in the game? Well, I've just attached myself to sounds and music. So it's like if I don't get that, it's like a drug to me. You know it's like a beauty.
Speaker 2:If I don't get that like I won't be myself you know.
Speaker 1:So I got to like stay in that realm or create a new sound.
Speaker 2:It feeds the creativity of you. Just to be myself, it's like a weed.
Speaker 1:You know it's like I smoke a blend to eat or something. I got to make some sounds to like maintain my shit, you know.
Speaker 4:I used to be like that. I'm not saying that's good or bad, but I used to be like that when I first started because I just love music. I can't help it. Like I said, I listen to everything. And then entertainment, like we was talking about on the last one, Michael Jackson. Once I kind of seen that and I was just like, okay, like you might not like this type of music or even dancing dancers, but you're going to watch this dude for something. You know what I mean? Whether it's his style, Definitely about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're going watch this dude for something. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:About the talent, definitely about that, yeah, you're gonna watch him for something you're gonna be like nah, that's good. Yeah, I'm just saying you might not like dancing, but it's hard not to, based off what, who he was and stuff. But that level of um, you know, like that, having that much diversity and having them, the many uh attributes about his artistic, that's what I feel like, drive me to see it. So Fresno has a very rich artistic culture. Yes, hip hop is the number one exportation In America. The hip-hop culture. Everybody use it to market whatever they need all over the world Art, hip-hop, graffiti, like we was talking about in the other episode. It's rich here. What I don't think has happened is somebody who came and built the perfect infrastructure. So with TNO, that's what the whole process was. It wasn't everybody's be like how can we get in TNO? You is TNO, and they'd be like what Like?
Speaker 2:what you don't want to be in the mail.
Speaker 1:Like that's how we used to treat it right so it's like you can't.
Speaker 4:You already can do what you can do. You already can do it right, and then building that market here and letting everybody else see it. I noticed how, after TNO Azteca ran the fuck up, it wasn't popping, but if I asked Laura, they was asking a lot of us to help that stuff. And it was cool. It wasn't to take away from nobody, everybody was in there.
Speaker 5:I'm glad you're saying that.
Speaker 4:I'm glad you're saying that, yeah, because it's the truth and however people feel about it, that's internal. That has nothing to do with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That shit is internal. You feel me and I don't feel no guilt by saying it, because it's the truth. Yeah, so when?
Speaker 5:I got a question for you because I'm dealing with this. What do you do when people tell you like well, tino the past, like Tino the dice over. You know what I'm saying, bro.
Speaker 2:That. That's actually a great question, because DJ was actually telling me something similar to that. It's like this Explain it.
Speaker 4:Who else was in regular rotation twice in the past 10 years? And it's not like niggas, don't have niggas like me. Who else stabilized a working music market? It wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't, it hasn't, it hasn't. I understand what you're saying. Now you have to bring other people to the city.
Speaker 2:Exactly With TNO. You didn't need that.
Speaker 4:We sold all shit, bro, You're not just saying TNO, but Pleasure Pack and all them people. At that time we used to sell out. It was just different. It's like when you put it together it's going to work. Yeah, now it's only a few people doing it, but obviously that come with not having the right infrastructure. The people doing it know what happened. You know what I mean. So it ain't. No, it's for everybody. Right, it's enough. All this shit out here has not been developed. That speed rail getting started here, for a reason. They just put $150 million in Fulton for a reason. Yeah, they thinking in the future. There's no way it can build up in one day. They know that. Yeah, la bought this shit up. You feel me. So if LA got the biggest entertainment and they bought it here, what's here?
Speaker 3:you know what's. Another thing too, and a lot of people always reference this, a lot of people that I know that grew up here in fresno. A lot of people say that fresno is the next la. Would you agree with that, would y'all?
Speaker 5:yeah, it's the smallest, biggest city with all the little connectors, like how from la do, and I do believe that, but yeah so back to what I was about to say yeah, you said you do it for the sonic therapy, right?
Speaker 4:that's? That's a lot of what I was feeling here as a young artist, seeing my uncle's rap, like how they own studios and just figure it out and like you put your you know patterns together and your sequences and, uh, you know patterns together and your sequences, and telling your story through this sonic representation. It's very therapeutic when those sonic waves is coming out and other people saying this shit tight. Right, you know what I mean, we have our own style, but because everything gets stole from here, it make us copy everybody else, right, because then we feel like, oh, feel like, oh, man, I gotta do something to be modern or something to be relative.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean likable in that sense, but it it's a lot of um, there's no resources. There's no resources for everybody to get that out, like dizzler or no jumper or just whatever other platforms that's been over the years, like xxl magazines, source divide, the magazines is how you had to get your shit out. You feel you had to get in the magazine and, uh, murder dog and the bay, all the other ones. You feel me. So now, knowing that everybody come here, all the artists come here and do a show and it's selling out, that's not by accident. Yeah, you feel me. It's just like infrastructure here has not been stabilized right. Tno was the first one. We had every record label in the same room yeah probably more than once.
Speaker 5:Look like you said that's business. No, that's that, that's not.
Speaker 4:I'm not, I'm not speaking nobody like name in particular. Yeah, I get what you're saying but that's how much interest people was Right, this is fact To come see what these guys were going, what was going on like what was going on in the city.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:So when they figured that more or less it wasn't no infrastructure, everybody just started doing shows like hanging out with the locals and then finding out who to go to without having the infrastructure. La boy, you pull up anywhere if you want to. That's somebody's territory. You ain't check in Somebody's going to figure it out or somebody go take over.
Speaker 5:That's what I'm saying. And Laura used to book us. Bro Switch used to book us and Laura used to book us. Bro Switch used to book us and Laura. Those were the home bases For our group. But we used to get booked Everywhere, bro. We got booked in Petaluma From LA. I used to get us booked In security bank towers To perform for like rich kids. That was cool.
Speaker 4:In.
Speaker 5:Beverly Hills. That was insane.
Speaker 4:I do shit like that. That was a cool show I bring.
Speaker 5:Marty, shout out. Marty Mula bro dj listo from usc that's what I knew.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm telling you bro so now it's like do you guys see, see yourselves building that back up, or is it something like what like? You just no, not just tno, but I'm talking about like the infrastructure of like how to get shows and how to host events um, I'm personally feeling that void.
Speaker 5:I feel like I'm doing some and I'm not gonna get noticed for it. Right, for whatever reason, I don't give a if I get noticed for it, but I just want people to know, like now, that I'm back into like a scene of music or something, trying to do a goal. Like bro, I got the plug I got you, I got you.
Speaker 4:So it's definitely not about the fame and trying to be a successful standalone artist. Or is it just about having a good business, bro?
Speaker 5:I do want to be a good artist, bro I do want to be a good artist, bro, but every artist, everybody want to be an artist, right? Everybody want to be like something, right. If you're not succeeding in one thing or you're feeling like, okay, well, I need Instant gratification, for I need to have the pull to do this or do this Like I'm not. I'm not a clock chaser, so I'm not gonna chase it With. Like, let me spam and do my Like I don't know. Or let me dance In front of the, like I'm the type of nigga Like alright, let me get behind the and put that together and then put this together and then still get some back game from this. And then niggas go be like oh, that was a good ass event. I'll be like yeah, bro, I did that one. You feel me?
Speaker 3:so to bounce off the answer. If social media wasn't as big as it was right like, let's just say, instagram was not the main social media platform, twitter x, whatever you want to call it do you feel like you still would've been Rocking, trying to network With this music and all that?
Speaker 5:Yes, Okay, word of mouth, like the song this nigga got with me Bruh, the word of mouth game Is crazy. Okay, and I'm talking about Like my name In general, like even the group, like the group is huge, but my name, bro, like I could do this shit Without no fucking phone.
Speaker 4:I ain't even going to cap. He asked me out of everybody hey, what's up with that? Guy Blair the Captain. Yo, the first person bro, I was just with this nigga at the movie premiere I was like look and I showed him the picture.
Speaker 5:He was like that used to be my nigga. I could call somebody right now from LA. He was like Cudi bro, I swear to God. I was at the pier or santa monica. Some dude walked up to me. He was just looking at me. He was like hey bro, do you know blur the captain? Just randomly, I swear to god, bro, my boy jaymo bro, and this is not like.
Speaker 5:I don't want a cap, bro, but I'm not no gang member. I'm like, but I'm from a hood, like I'm not from no like gang member, but I'm from like a block like, yeah, it's a community, it's a community, but it's grimy, though, like you know what, it's not a suburb.
Speaker 4:I'm from the trenches damn near Same. I'm from the scary. You know what's crazy? When people be telling me how they feel about where I grew up, like you see it in the movie the parks and all that stuff. People are like oh, come around over there Bro y'all, bro, y'all.
Speaker 5:It's horrible out here too, it is dangerous. But it's very dangerous I don't think my people seen that. My mom tried to move me from Watts to a safer place and I got robbed. My chain got robbed out here. I never got robbed. I used to skate in college from a flat top skate all through Watts blue line, red line going to Winter Hills. Brother, I never got robbed. I came to Fresno, sat on the bus stop down there. I was in high school and got robbed for a sophomore year Nigga.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Y'all knew that it's like that. That's crazy Not saying you deserve it.
Speaker 5:No, nigga won't do that shit again, though I'll bet you will. I'll look through the camera and say I'm on that. Now, I'm on that. I was younger, though I was a kid bro Coming from volleyball practice. Nigga ain't gonna touch me.
Speaker 3:So, because I never really got a full background on you as far as, like your very first song that you produced, the very first song that you dropped, like your upbringing, what inspired you to get into music? That's what I really want to know, especially the style of music that you make.
Speaker 1:Well, my dad was a rock head and metal head.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:My mom. She was more like a snoop dog. She grew up in compton and and my dad grew up in sanger. So like okay, he, he went down the the crazy path and my mom went down the hispanic like right, you know, you know, um, she had a mother and her father was never there. You know same thing with my dad, like he had a mom and the father was never there. So just my family was kind of fucked up since the beginning, but they always loved music and so I have on this hand like the West Coast, and on this hand some fucking rock shit.
Speaker 5:Right and then in the middle, it's just like you get everything from.
Speaker 1:You know like r b to the early 60s, and then you know like rock, like when, when it was at its highest form, like you know, with with all the metal and and black sabbath.
Speaker 4:You know like slip, not italica yeah, and black savage, you know like slipknot, metallica, yeah, and shit like that.
Speaker 3:So I was just everywhere in between, you know and that's a good thing, though there's there's there's a lot of pros to that, because now you know no limits as to what, and I used to play in a church band too, so that's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 4:So that's where the soul comes from.
Speaker 5:For real, the bass and the church band For real.
Speaker 4:I used to sing in the car too, though. Okay, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. That's crazy, it clicked. I would have never thought that I bet All right.
Speaker 3:Well, it's been a very good episode, a very long episode. I just want to thank y'all again for coming out to this one. We're going to cut it short because we got five minutes left on our battery. We didn't extend it, that motherfucker. To the ends of the earth, I mean we're going to have to run this back another time.
Speaker 3:This is a beautiful group and I appreciate all y'all for coming out here. It was good meeting you again after all these years, bro. Same with JSP. When I saw y'all pull up in that car, I was like I know exactly who that is, bro, and I ain't seen this fool since 2019.
Speaker 1:Crazy huh.
Speaker 3:It was wild, bro. It's crazy seeing everybody come back full circle seeing y'all still rocking, still doing y'all thing, Especially in the city of Fresno. It's easy to get your dream shit out here. Appreciate you, Of course.
Speaker 5:I ain't focused y'all. I want to say too, without social media shit, yes, bro, like it's possible, bro, you could do anything, bro, it's possible. I just want to tell people, like, what I'm doing. I do street team foot work too. So I'm putting up posters and like, talking to people and going to clubs, not trying to party but trying to network and get people to come to the event I'm throwing, or so, like as an artist, bro, you're gonna learn. I learned this shit with tno, with keey. We go to Fresno State, set up a booth, have the college students Come to us, give them the flyers, like it's a whole process To even Like, if you wanna do Some old school Like techniques, but you can do tapes and all types of.
Speaker 4:Hand to hand and word of mouth. It's never gonna die.
Speaker 5:For real, bro. We all communicate. This is how he is, bro. Hip-hop has been here before all the social media shit, I feel like, and shout-out to y'all man for having us. Yeah, shout-out to the Brokewoods, the platform is three seasons in. I hear y'all, I see y'all.
Speaker 4:They can give up after like four, sometimes three.
Speaker 3:No, there was times where it was close to like being was just like bro. I don't know if we really built for this. I don't know if not having a dough to really make this shit work. That's coming from the literal ground level of having nothing and then making it into something. We, on the rooftop of spiral garage, which a lot of people from fresno.
Speaker 4:Y'all know where we at shout out the security guard.
Speaker 3:bro really hooked it up for us Bro we got in here.
Speaker 4:I ain't going to snitch on you. Bro, I'll have to come up here and do this. The police was not tripping. They was like, hey, some real niggas out there, leave them alone For real.
Speaker 3:Finally, he's seen the vibe check. He knew what it was. He knew what it was.
Speaker 5:He's y'all socials. Where can we find you, blair the Captain, on all platforms? B-l-a-i-r-t-h-e, captain, c-a-p-t-i-n-a, follow me, listen to all my music, google me. Rio de Young, og. August 9th pull up, or if you can't pull up, you go see it happen, it happen and it's gonna be sold out. We already got 300 plus pre-sales Tickets now. Yeah bro, shout out to Broke Boys. Bro, shout out my boy, dj bro.
Speaker 4:Shout out Martin.
Speaker 5:Appreciate you. My boy Shout out Martin too. Bro, appreciate y'all for having me on here, bro, I ain't gonna lie bro. I do want to come back, bro. I like talking and telling my story, bro, Appreciate y'all man.
Speaker 3:We gonna run it back.
Speaker 5:Follow the gang.
Speaker 1:My Insta JSSPPP, underscore and follow my studio, chosen Life Studios. Y'all, I've been active for a cool minute and I'm going to stay active and make these hits. So shouts out to y'all for telling me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we outside, man, y'all can find me. I love Kesey, or just Google Digimeds, d-i-g-i-m-e-d-d-s digital medication, and uh, yeah, y'all stay active. Man fresno, y'all got something special. I got something special. Man, this, this shit ain't normal. I could feel it, feel me.
Speaker 3:So thank y'all again and thank y'all for coming out. Shout out martin for getting this episode situated, and I just want to thank everybody for listening and tuning into the podcast. It was another episode of Broke Boys, season 3. Thank y'all. Y'all have a good night. Peace, yeah, yeah, yeah, peace.
